Time To Abolish The UK Monarchy

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The monarch seems to be the lesser of the problems afflicting the UK.

The massive migrant invasion seems to be a bigger for that country.
The is no "massive migrant invasion" in the UK, in fact,net migration is projected to fall to zero quite soon.

Meanwhile, the Royal Family are still sponging off the state while covering for an alleged child rapist.
 

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Edit: I was curious so I looked it up, and it's not mandatory to bow to royalty (let's say, during a formal introduction).
But who wants to miss out on making a rehearsed référence?
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If anything, they should bow to me because, after all, my taxes pay their wages.
 

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Kate and Willie are too out of touch with the public to be effective monarchs. This week when the Andrew/Epstein scandal was leading the news, Wille's response was to give an interview to talk about his mental health and not even mention mental health in relation to the victims. Kate only works 25 days a years, significantly less than King Charles, who is an old man being treated for cancer so I doubt very much she could cope with the workload of being Queen.

This photo was taken in 2019 long, after Andrew’s alleged sex crimes with Epstein were made public and now they claim they are "deeply concerned". Yeah, right.

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Hey Angela,

I'm not a huge fan of the Royals but I don't think that is quite true about William. He was part of a panel talking about mens mental health and high rates of suicide. The importance of men talking about their feelings. The focus was about men generally. It wasn't just William. It would have felt quite odd if he had started talking about Andrew in this context.
I saw it doom scrolling on my phone, unless there was another one.

My only worry about a non Royals world is that we end up with President Farage. The pound shop Trump. They are already talking about a UK ICE. Can you imagine? That is not a UK I want to live in.
 

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Hey Angela,

I'm not a huge fan of the Royals but I don't think that is quite true about William. He was part of a panel talking about mens mental health and high rates of suicide. The importance of men talking about their feelings. The focus was about men generally. It wasn't just William. It would have felt quite odd if he had started talking about Andrew in this context.
I saw it doom scrolling on my phone, unless there was another one.

My only worry about a non Royals world is that we end up with President Farage. The pound shop Trump. They are already talking about a UK ICE. Can you imagine? That is not a UK I want to live in.
Yes, you're correct about the context of Willie's comments and the importance of discussing issues surrounding the mental health of boys and men, but I would question how appropriate it was for him to take part in the panel and try to shift the focus onto his mental resilience without acknowledging the mental health of Epstein's victims. This was especially bad from him considering that Virginia Giuffre, who his uncle allegedly abused, had such poor mental health that she took her own life. William however took time to let it been known that he was "concerned" about Andrew's mental health.


Even supporters of the Royal Family, like LBC presenter Shelagh Fogarty, made the same point, and probably more articulately than me.


As for the potential of President Farage, if you believe in democracy, sometimes you get results you don't like but at least we would get a chance to vote him out at the next opportunity. However, if someone like Andrew became King, we could potentially be stuck with him for the rest of his life, bringing shame on our country for decades. Can you imaging having to bow to a king how was allegedly a child sex abuser?
 

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Even the Daily Mail have turned against the Royal Family.


The article is jaw-dropping, It tells of a time when Queen Elizabeth and Philip went on a 3 day foreign visit, when they returned home they submitted to the government "a claim for ‘expenses’ for their visit. This was way beyond just the costs that might or might not have been run up during the royal trip. The Duke was claiming for the cost of many suits, ten shirts – and much more. The Queen claimed similarly gross amounts." This was in addition to the millions they fleece from tax-payers from the Civil List.
 
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The article is jaw-dropping, It tells of a time when Queen Elizabeth

I was wondering how long after her death it would take for the mythologizing around Elizabeth II to be chipped away at. Her real place in history will be determined long after we're all dead, but short term history is seldom kind to anyone.
 

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I was wondering how long after her death it would take for the mythologizing around Elizabeth II to be chipped away at. Her real place in history will be determined long after we're all dead, but short term history is seldom kind to anyone.
Queen Elizabeth II protected and covered for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor when he faced accusations of abusing Virginia Guiffre, even paying £12 million to prevent Ms Guiffre from telling her story in court. After Andrew was shown to have continued his association with Epstein after the latter was convicted of sex crimes, Elizabeth continued to have him accompany her in public. I think history won't be kind to her and she doesn't deserve anything different.
 

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My involvement here notwithstanding, I generally don't give the Royals much thought. On the occasions I have given the situation any thought I have wondered less why the British don't dump the Royals than why the Royals don't dump the British. Surely they'd all be happier living private lives of privilege than being basically performing seals. The line in THE CROWN seems to sum it up, as the Queen Mother lamented the family's decline from "ruling to reigning to ... marionettes". Edward VIII might have been a Nazi sympathizer, but seemed to get the better end of the deal. I'd rather spend my days playing bridge and walking my dogs than whatever empty pomp the Royals waste their time doing.

But then I generally assume the Windsors must be rich. I know the palaces and jewels belong to the State, but surely they have millions -- if not billions -- stashed away. But then again maybe not, since so many of them seem to be panhandlers.
 

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But then I generally assume the Windsors must be rich. I know the palaces and jewels belong to the State, but surely they have millions -- if not billions -- stashed away. But then again maybe not, since so many of them seem to be panhandlers.
Forbes estimates the Royal Family's wealth to be £69 billion but they still raid the taxes of ordinary people to fund their extravagant lifestyle.
 

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Forbes estimates the Royal Family's wealth to be £69 billion but they still raid the taxes of ordinary people to fund their extravagant lifestyle.

Well you've convinced me.

Too bad for you, I'm an American and my opinion here is meaningless.
 
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