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Dallas Top Ten Top Ten

Karin

Moderator
Staff Member
I will include Dallas TNT for my list to get to ten events since a part of me truly feel like original Dallas never jumped the shark!
Honest when it ended the first time I saw it I wanted it to go on...yes I wanted more of Dallas even if it was with James, Michelle and Cally... :embarrassed:

1. We find out that Pam has been dead for 20 + years (Dallas TNT)
2. PamBecca kills Tommy but gets no reprecussions from it as it's swept underneath the carpet (Dallas TNT)
3. April is murdered in Paris and Bobby spends the whole season dreaming about her and chasing Hillary Taylor/Sheila Fooley.
4. The threesome (Dallas TNT)
5. Cliff blows up the oil rig and kills his grandchildren(Dallas TNT)
6. Fake Miss Ellie
7. JR is dead and we are left with his masterpiece (Dallas TNT)
8. Mark Graison comes back from the dead in the dream season (so now Pam is fine and stops grieving for Bobby just like that!)
9. Wes Parmalee claims to be Jock
10. Pam leaves the hospital and sends a letter to Bobby asking for a divorce
 
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Pammy P

Telly Talk Fan
My top 10 "jump the shark" scenes

  1. Pam's Dream Season but glad Pat D came back
  2. Emerald Mine Storyline with Matt Cantrell
  3. Mark Graison come back from the dead
  4. Marionos Shipping with Angelica Nero & Grace
  5. Jack & Jenna's alleged romance which never happened
  6. Dallas from 1987 onwards
  7. The acting of Sacha Mitchell
  8. Any scene with Michelle Stevens
  9. The ridiculous sudden transformation of April Stevens Ewing from a gold digging tramp who slept with JR and then suddenly was turned into Cinderella when she snared Bobby James Ewing who would not have touched any women JR had slept with!
  10. Jamie & Cliff's wedding in his condo, in jeans and top, when Pam and Jackie were dressed more aptly!
 

Pammy P

Telly Talk Fan
Utterlly BRILLIANT Snarky - the Director missed that one blocking Pammy out, Ray should have stood a tad back to get her full in the picture. One of the best cast shots ever, only person missing is Valene really!


Sadly, this is the best that I can do.

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Pammy P

Telly Talk Fan
TNT's Dallas was completely "jump the shark" .... Dallas was about oil and cattle not oil and drug cartels!

The best reference to the old series was JR telling Sue Ellen, you are still the prettiest girl at the ball!

They wrote Bobby all wrong his persona changed alot ... he would have looked for Pammy and when he heard she had died then he would have shown more emotion, she was the love of his life! Like with JR & Swellin, they may have other wives and partners, but in my mind they remained their two great loves, JR & Swelling, Bobby & Pammy, Donna & Ray.
 
1. “It's over. None of that happened” (Season Nine - Return To Camelot)
I think of jumping the shark as something a TV show can only do once. This is THE moment when Dallas lost all credibility beyond redemption. Never again could I consider seriously investing in anything they served up. There was no coming back from this.



I'll stretch out my choices to include another couple of moments, one from two years earlier and another from two years later. They're not the actual shark jumping moment in my opinion, but show how the quality was dropping leading up to the shark jumping and how quickly the rot set in afterwards.




2. “Mama - you look like a new woman” (Season Seven - Homecoming)
This dropping the ball moment certainly paved the way for #1 by asking the audience to play dumb and pretend they hadn't noticed a change that threw off the whole show.



3. “You mean that bastard is still alive?” (Season Eleven - Carousel)
A moment which symbolises how quickly people stopped giving a crap once the shark was jumped. Not just the audience, but the writers and cast. Dallas became a satire of itself with no basis in any kind of reality and phoned-in performances. In place of any sense of jeopardy, JR channelled Tony Nelson as he lay in his hospital bed demanding bleepy machines to make him look ill. And nobody cared.
 

Toni

Maximum Member
Speaking of jumping-the-shark moments, here is a WatchMojo video with Top Ten Shows that jumped the shark. "Dallas" comes second (thank you, "Happy Days", otherwise that would be known as a "Bobby-in-the-shower" moment...) and re spoilers, the most recent series is "Lost", so you can watch the video and enjoy it!

 

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
Utterlly BRILLIANT Snarky - the Director missed that one blocking Pammy out, Ray should have stood a tad back to get her full in the picture. One of the best cast shots ever, only person missing is Valene really!
Although I suspect Victoria wasn't there for the master shot, which is why they had Steve put his elbow in front of her stand-in's face. And they did her close-up insert later.
 

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
In chrono-illogical order:

Miss Ellie's re-casting
Increasing soapy tone of the Dream Season
The Dream Explanation by which Bobby was revived
Donna Krebbs being removed too early
Ray and Jenna (and the show) pretending their rebound romance wasn't one
Pam's existence being ignored by everybody
The mafia plotline with Jack Scalia taking up too much screen time
Halleyville
Sue Ellen's movie (could've worked)
Lady Jessica's murder spree being handled much too facetiously
April shifting from fabu-slut to whiney, clingy wife for the Bobster


There are things other people disliked that didn't bother me: Jamie, Cally herself, Mark Graison, Wes Pamalee and BD Calhoun, the range war --- none of those things bothered me at all (except maybe the range war's execution).

As I've said before, there's almost no plot you can't do; it's all in how it's done. And the campy tone of the closing seasons just sabotaged even the promising storylines... The audience does not want you winking at the camera, no matter how tempted they admitted they were to do this near the end.

As David Jacobs once said, this kind of show can have humor under the surface, but must be "played absolutely straight" on the surface. Otherwise, it doesn't work. And what you wind up with is something that's a satire of something that's already a satire.

Patrick admitted just a couple of years ago that "we lost objectivity" about what qualifies as a good story in the closing years of oldDALLAS. And Larry admitted that the last couple of seasons "weren't up to par."

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Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
And Larry admitted that the last couple of seasons "weren't up to par."
Really? And to think Larry was an Executive Producer during those final seasons. To rub further salt into the wound they co-executive produce Dallas: Jr Returns then inflict more of the same with Dallas: War of the Ewings. Just proves they may have been fine actors in their appropriate roles but useless when it came to truly understanding what that secret ingredient was that made the early years of Dallas so damn good.
 

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
have to say @Snarky's Ghost

Barbara and Howard are looking very festive for the SF xmas party.
Nice!!
Howard and Barbara are the very living embodiment of Santa and Mrs Claus.

No one could ever, ever come closer.

Really? And to think Larry was an Executive Producer during those final seasons. To rub further salt into the wound they co-executive produce Dallas: Jr Returns then inflict more of the same with Dallas: War of the Ewings. Just proves they may have been fine actors in their appropriate roles but useless when it came to truly understanding what that secret ingredient was that made the early years of Dallas so damn good.
Larry admitted the EP title was just a way of paying him more money. And Patrick has openly admitted that WAR OF THE EWINGS is regarded as the nadir of DALLAS even though he and Larry produced it, conceding that the "magic" of the show is largely a mystery.

None of the actors seems to have a clue as to David Paulsen's post-'WhoShotJR?' contributions and how they cemented the series' legacy.

But then most of the DYNASTY actors are critical of what Paulsen did with Season 9 of that show, and it was the only year that hadn't basically sucked dongs since Season 2.

So the in-front-of-the-camera employees don't always know what's cookin' out back.

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Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
And Patrick has openly admitted that WAR OF THE EWINGS is regarded as the nadir of DALLAS even though he and Larry produced it, conceding that the "magic" of the show is largely a mystery.

A mystery? I kind of stumped on that. How difficult could it have been to re-visit those first several seasons and eat into the bone of what that 'magic' was. As Dallas weathered my impression is the series was consuming itself from the inside out, and it all starts with the Barbara Bel Geddes/ Donna Reed debacle. Then we had to deal with the 'Dream Season', the mummified Pam and the humiliating stories to end the series. I had high expectations Dallas: JR Returns and Dallas: War of the Ewings would correct those last "just end it already" seasons but it would seem they still had not learnt their lesson. Larry, Patrick and Linda appeared to be playing for laughs rather than playing it straight.

Of course along came TNT Dallas and it further eroded my confidence in a brand I've had a keen interest in for near on 40 years. Perhaps my expectations were too high. Maybe, just maybe Dallas was never meant to return in any format in today's viewing climate. Those posters who stated Dallas was a show for its time and rightfully should have stayed there were right all along.
 

pete lashmar

Telly Talk Addict
A mystery? I kind of stumped on that. How difficult could it have been to re-visit those first several seasons and eat into the bone of what that 'magic' was. As Dallas weathered my impression is the series was consuming itself from the inside out, and it all starts with the Barbara Bel Geddes/ Donna Reed debacle. Then we had to deal with the 'Dream Season', the mummified Pam and the humiliating stories to end the series. I had high expectations Dallas: JR Returns and Dallas: War of the Ewings would correct those last "just end it already" seasons but it would seem they still had not learnt their lesson. Larry, Patrick and Linda appeared to be playing for laughs rather than playing it straight.

Of course along came TNT Dallas and it further eroded my confidence in a brand I've had a keen interest in for near on 40 years. Perhaps my expectations were too high. Maybe, just maybe Dallas was never meant to return in any format in today's viewing climate. Those posters who stated Dallas was a show for its time and rightfully should have stayed there were right all along.

Absolutely agree with the 2 TV movies, more care in their construction & execution could have been gold but it turned into Carry On Dallas. However, had TNT put in a showrunner with a love & knowledge of the original it could have been far more successful. TNT just wanted a show called Dallas, not THE show called Dallas it seems.
 

Ome

Admin Emeritus
1. Pam’s crash
2. The new Miss Ellie
3. Ray & Jenna
4. JR marrying (and staying married) to Cally
5. Pam & the Emeralds
6. JR in the sanatorium
 

JROG

Telly Talk Addict
1. “It's over. None of that happened” (Season Nine - Return To Camelot)
I think of jumping the shark as something a TV show can only do once. This is THE moment when Dallas lost all credibility beyond redemption. Never again could I consider seriously investing in anything they served up. There was no coming back from this.

That's it. A lot of people tend to call stuff they personally didn't like as "jump the shark" moments, overusing the phrase to death, but it's about the one absolute, definitive moment where things were destroyed forever. I don't know if there's an example of a show having more than one of those. Therefore, for DALLAS, I'll list

1) "It's over. None of that happened" from Return to Camelot as the ultimate jump the shark moment.
 

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
But exactly what is it that's being destroyed, I wonder.
For me personally it destroyed the integrity of the show. The producers/writers insulted my viewing intelligence. Their resolution in bringing Bobby back was a nudge-nudge wink-wink you'll forgive our woefulness in poor writing because you see this is what the you wanted. Somehow it was all our fault.
 
A lot of people tend to call stuff they personally didn't like as "jump the shark" moments, overusing the phrase to death but it's about the one absolute, definitive moment where things were destroyed forever.

That's my take on it too.


But exactly what is it that's being destroyed, I wonder.

Now, my memory is a bit fuzzy and I was only a kid when it aired, but I seem to remember the almost instantaneous backlash from Pam's dream.

At a time when there was a great deal of snobbery in the UK about American shows (and soaps in particular), Dallas was the exception: the one that casual British viewers found endearing. Knots Landing had been taken off the air in Britain in 1982 (only returning about the same time as the dream scenario aired, where the four year old episodes were consigned to a mid-afternoon weekday slot). Dynasty too never found the same affection with the British public. The overwhelming majority of my family and friends viewed it as a bit silly and rather shallow. Right or wrong, my impression was that British housewives had it on in the background to see what the women were wearing. So the Moldavia Massacre outcome a year earlier just reinforced the daftness and caused a few chortles. The show jumped its own shark, but very few people here seemed too bothered by it and it continued to be tolerated (Dynasty didn't get as much press here as Dallas, so I may be completely off the mark there. I'm going by comments from family members)

But with Dallas, people seemed to care more. I remember hearing letters of relief read out on Points Of View when Barbara Bel Geddes returned (good news/bad news when combined with the sorrow about Bobby's death). Presumably there had also been letters of complaint when Donna Reed had floated onto the series. But it was nothing compared to the letters and articles that popped up everywhere after Pam's dream.

Over the summer after Bobby appeared in the shower (before the dream explanation was given), there was a tentative buzz. People were concerned that the outcome might be a bit daft. I remember the "long lost evil twin brother" scenario being mooted on the radio more than once. The dream scenario was discussed as a possibility but I don't think many people seriously considered that they would insult viewers' intelligence to that degree.

Pam's dream was the coup de grâce for American soaps in the UK. It really did feel like the entire country gave a collective groan and the climate changed overnight. I was a schoolboy and can well remember how American soaps - and anyone who admitted to watching them - became an instant laughing stock. They were no longer tolerated or ignored. Now they were out and out mocked. And so was anyone who dared admit to still watching them. With the dream scenario providing all the ammunition (until the final scene of The Colbys the following year was thrown into the mix).

To me, it felt like Pam's dream was the foundation of hate watching. Not just Dallas, but other soaps whose credibility Dallas had taken down with it in the eyes of the British public. If Dynasty and The Colbys came on the screen, the grandiose music cued in howls of laughter from my family. So did any scene that featured a shower (I remember reading a tongue in cheek write up in a TV magazine for a Dynasty episode which was actually named The Shower). And poor, newly returned Knots Landing never stood a chance. We were four years behind and I had no idea if the 85-86 season of Knots would also be written off as a dream, which coloured the way I viewed it when it finally aired here.

I don't remember Fonzie jumping the shark, but Pam telling Bobby about her dream destroyed the reputation and credibility of both the show and the entire genre. It did it publicly and it did it overnight (or at least that's how it feels looking back on it). It was a single, high profile moment which is referenced again and again by casual viewers and even non-viewers as summing up everything that's bad about the show and the genre. And sadly, it's become one of Dallas's two defining moments.
 

Rove

Telly Talk Warrior
Dallas was the exception: the one that casual British viewers found endearing.
I'll also add a lot of Aussies were in the same position as the British. On paper you wouldn't think a show like Dallas would resonate with viewers around the globe, but it did. The Ewing family may have been rich but it was the deft touch of the writers, their creative stories and actors who endeared themselves to the viewers which made the show so successful. As Dallas progressed the characters became an extension of our own family. It was like we knew them personally.
 
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