Luke_Krebbs_Ewing
Telly Talk Champion
Victoria Principal is too much of a gentlewoman to say what she really thinks of her ex-Dallas cast mates and for that I respect her.
Victoria Principal is too much of a gentlewoman to say what she really thinks of her ex-Dallas cast mates and for that I respect her.
Ollie james
Telly Talk Active Member
Never seen that clip before..The departure of Pam and Donna was the final nail in the Dallas coffin. Two class acts on and off screen to lose one was careless to lose two was unforgivable. If only it was a bad dream
the-lost-son
Telly Talk Well-Known Member
Pam's exit is problematic for several reasons:
- If an audience spent years in a character's ups and downs, you can't keep it open-ended.
- The two years prior to her exit were showing signs of redundancy, the writing got worse. VP's exit seems like a milestone in Dallas' history. Season 10 (DVD11) was very weak and it's easy to blame the intact cast for that.
Although I was sad to watch her leave, I don't think her staying would have saved the series.
The writing just got worse, the story had been told.
I think it' s safe to assume that the cast was on good terms. Rivalries like in the casts of Dynasty or Falcon Crest didn't happen.
Every employee can sympathize the desire to get a change after 9 years. I don't think there is any more to it.
- If an audience spent years in a character's ups and downs, you can't keep it open-ended.
- The two years prior to her exit were showing signs of redundancy, the writing got worse. VP's exit seems like a milestone in Dallas' history. Season 10 (DVD11) was very weak and it's easy to blame the intact cast for that.
Although I was sad to watch her leave, I don't think her staying would have saved the series.
The writing just got worse, the story had been told.
I think it' s safe to assume that the cast was on good terms. Rivalries like in the casts of Dynasty or Falcon Crest didn't happen.
Every employee can sympathize the desire to get a change after 9 years. I don't think there is any more to it.
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MenaceTheDennis
Telly Talk Member
Victorias goodbye seemed quite heartfelt and emotional. She kept it classy and professional. This clip really puts a punctuation mark on that era of soaps. Of course Dynasty was already in sharp decline, but when Pam crashed into that tanker, the era was really over. And it’s sad even after decades we couldn’t get it back again in another show. I’ll always commend Victoria for getting out of the show when it was still halfway decent.
Luke_Krebbs_Ewing
Telly Talk Champion
What a great season for her to depart in. I regard season ten as the last great season of the shows run. The rot certainly set in storyline wise after she left.
Toni
Maximum Member
Recently I read some producer´s interview where he said that when an actor leaves or is fired, their intention is making the audience never think of him/her again, so they choose the worst exit ever (ie, burned, drowned, disfigured, etc.). It seems that, in theory, nobody will want to remember that character if the last time they saw it was truly grossing, sad, etc. Coinciding with my own theory of the "producer´s revenge", when they do try hard to assassinate the character a la Pam on "Dallas", Chase on "Falcon Crest", etc. Once the actor is out, it seems that all is allowed to tarnish his/her memory. I wish someone could write a book based only on the behind the scenes of the producing teams of these shows...
Luke_Krebbs_Ewing
Telly Talk Champion
Well, we now know that the decision to lose Susan Howard was down to Leonard Katzman. His nose was unfortunately out of joint because she was apparently a supporter of Philip Capice plus she wasn't in favour of negating an entire season as a dream.
I think she was right all along, it was a poor decision to negate season nine by making it a dream of Pam's in order to bring Patrick Duffy back on the show. They should've found another way to do it.
Leonard Katzman and Philip Capice also didn't see eye to eye all the time and Leonard wanted to be the Executive Producer. So when Larry Hagman wanted Patrick Duffy back on the show for season ten it was a proviso that Katzman was re-hired as the Executive Producer and Capice to be dropped.
cws
Formerly kcmimichar
I still don't know what Larry had against Capice. He was with the show since the beginning, and then all of a sudden he wants him gone.Well, we now know that the decision to lose Susan Howard was down to Leonard Katzman. His nose was unfortunately out of joint because she was apparently a supporter of Philip Capice plus she wasn't in favour of negating an entire season as a dream.
I think she was right all along, it was a poor decision to negate season nine by making it a dream of Pam's in order to bring Patrick Duffy back on the show. They should've found another way to do it.
Leonard Katzman and Philip Capice also didn't see eye to eye all the time and Leonard wanted to be the Executive Producer. So when Larry Hagman wanted Patrick Duffy back on the show for season ten it was a proviso that Katzman was re-hired as the Executive Producer and Capice to be dropped.
Toni
Maximum Member
I think at that moment of the game, there were more people involved in the decisions about where to take the show. We forget that Lorimar and Telepictures had merged (or was it a takeover), and one of the big shots from Telepictures had very clear ideas about the actors´ economic demands. They came from the daytime soap background, and there probably were some internal clashes at Lorimar that we don´t know anything about. Capice was to me as pivotal for the success of "Dallas" as Jacobs and Katzman. I have few complaints about the Dream Season and the work of the "Knots Landing" new writers, but the following seasons had abysmal scenes, plots and characters in them.
I don't think Larry had anything personal against Capice. It was probably that he didn't like the direction of the Dream season. So Leonard Katzman and Patrick Duffy came back and Phil Capice had to go.
Pamela_E
Admin Emerita
Well she was leaving too, I almost expected her to say and its goodbye from me too after two years, adios.
Clayton should have said he was staying.
What a weird moment, felt awkward.
cws
Formerly kcmimichar
Larry had said in an interview he was willing to pay the rest of Capice's salary just to get rid of him. But then somebody at Lorimar just fired him.
Toni
Maximum Member
I´m sure that @Sarah will forever regret the missed chance to see Debbie´s voluptuous body under that dead animal skin and to hear her voice from the crypt! Am I right Sarah?Well she was leaving too, I almost expected her to say and its goodbye from me too after two years, adios.
Clayton should have said he was staying.
What a weird moment, felt awkward.
Matthew Blaisdel
Telly Talk Star
Sarah
Moderator Emerita
Em... you may be a piggy....but I'm a LION.
xab
Telly Talk Fan
Why complaining about Pam and Donna exit when Granny (saved from Big Bad Wolf paws by Little Red Riding Hood) Beaumont and (super) Cally (fragilisticexpialidocious) Harper were around the corner ?
By the way, I always wondered if they eventually came accross Peter (Pan) Richards...
Maybe all that never happened and was just a Lee Ann De La Vega's bad (I) dream (of Jeannie)...?
By the way, I always wondered if they eventually came accross Peter (Pan) Richards...
Maybe all that never happened and was just a Lee Ann De La Vega's bad (I) dream (of Jeannie)...?
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