Watching Beyond The Gates: CBS's new soap

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CBS is changing its schedule. BTG will soon air between Y&R and B&B.
Y&R between 1-2
BTG between 2-3
B&B between 3-3.30

An obvious move to get BTG better ratings. I hope it works. But also, I wish CBS and ABC could promote streaming more. And let people outside US stream too.
 

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I saw a story online about this, but the "small print" states it is only the Tampa, FL affiliate planning to switch the airtimes of the soaps on their channel. The click-bait-y way the article was written made it sound like a national change, but it's just that local station.
 

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I saw a story online about this, but the "small print" states it is only the Tampa, FL affiliate planning to switch the airtimes of the soaps on their channel. The click-bait-y way the article was written made it sound like a national change, but it's just that local station.
I will never get used to there being different affiliates - not to mention time zones. I am way too used to living in a country with 1 time zone and national TV stations.
 

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Good thing Eva realized Kat sabotaged her and won't be fooled by her entitled sister.

What is going on with Hayley's pregnancy? If she's lying about being pregnant, she'll have to fake a miscarriage soon.

Seems The Articulettes story is partly there to let Tamara Tunie take time off the show when Anita is off singing.

Thursday's episode got my hopes up that the writers might skip the Andre/Ashley story. They go on one date and she looks jealous of Derek/Shanice, while Dani decided to get Andre in bed again. Good. Dani/Andre is too good to end already, while Andre/Ashley is a really boring match.
 

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Why do the writers think Ashley is an interesting character? Stop ruining Andre by putting him with Ashley.

Curious to find out more about Randy. Why is Hayley calling him Sammy and how does she know him?

And can Doug man up a bit?
 

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What I like about BTG is that it doesn't drift into absurdity like some other daytime soaps. However, the soap is still quite young and a lot of absurd things can still happen. I also like that people have realized that BTG is no better than other soaps, but BTG knows how to sell itself as the better soap. Chelsea's kidnapping and rescue was pretty poorly acted, but BTG tried to sell everything as original by talking about how hard life is for influencers these days and how quickly they get stalkers. B&B had recently told a similar story (with fake nude photos) and everything there seemed lame. BTG tells its stories as if they were very important, like Martin's secret, which wasn't a bad secret in itself, but not exciting enough to remain a secret for so long. Although the perfect moment to reveal Martin's secret was missed, the timing with the announcement that Leslie is Barbara's daughter was perfect for me. Viewers already knew Leslie in her craziness and wondered how she could stay on the show long-term, and they got an immediate answer. I do wonder how much Anita earned at the Articulettes to set up such a large trust fund that Leslie could easily use to buy and maintain a mansion. It's truly unrealistic that members of Black girl groups earned that much in the 1960s.
 

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I found the episodes of BTG somewhere and went to take a look... The very first one was really well written and constructed, it was impressive, a daytime version of Dynasty. The numerous characters were introduced clearly and skillfully.

But after seven episodes, I feel like the quality is already falling apart... The average sets seem tiny for a high-end series (the wedding, the press conference...). The writing is heavy-handed and unsubtle... Very cliché. We were treated (again) to a baby being born in a stuck elevator... The abandoned mistress returns with her illegitimate daughter (to whom she recounts her entire story, as if the kid didn't already know it by heart...). It's very heavy-handed... Not to mention the multiple love triangles that we see coming from a mile away...

But maybe it's getting better ? Not sure I will check.

The only positive point is that, finally, 30 years after Generations, a network dares to broadcast a soap opera entirely centered on Black people. In Trump's America, it's almost a political act...

In any case, I won't criticize GH's writing anymore... It's a masterpiece in comparison...
 

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There are some storylines I prefer in primetime rather than in daytime, and cancer stories are one of them. In daytime, they usually start strong, but then become tiresome and ultimately annoying because you hear every family member or friend talking at length about how they feel and how the sick person must be feeling, and so on. The exact same thing is happening right now with Anita's cancer diagnosis, but I still think everything is handled well; every conversation (even if it's often the same one with different people) is spot on.

The Duprees' greatest strength is their unity and the fact that there's no black sheep in the family. I think it's very clever that all the villains in the show have no direct connection to the Duprees, but only to their (former) in-laws or best friends. This makes the Duprees seem genuinely smart.

As for the show's three biggest villains, I hope Leslie stays. When it comes to Hayley I think the moment we learned she intends to kill Bill sealed her fate and not his. I hope Joey doesn't become the Sonny Corinthos of BTG. When Vanessa finds out Joey killed Doug, I hope she or her son kills him, rather than him staying with the show forever as the mobster anyone is afraid of.

What I definitely don't need in the future are flashbacks to when Dani and Bill were a young couple who just chatted insanely. I could also do without the Duprees constantly praising characters from Y&R and B&B. When Anita was going on about how unique Fenmore's is or how great Devon's influence in the music business is, I wondered how long this gushing praise for the other two CBS soaps would go on. The Duprees certainly seem to have more prestige and class than the Newmans and the Forresters, but are they just as interesting?
 

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I found the episodes of BTG somewhere and went to take a look...
Currently available to Australia via Tubi. I gave the first episode a curious watch but decided it's not my cup of tea. I found the story forced. Or it could be the actress Karla Mosley as I never warmed to her stint on B&B.
 

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When Anita was going on about how unique Fenmore's is or how great Devon's influence in the music business is, I wondered how long this gushing praise for the other two CBS soaps would go on.
PlutoTV airs promos for their BTG Channel constantly across their channels. At the end of the commercial they have Tamara Tunie's character "welcoming Devon to Fairmont Crest" (a crossover guest appearance from the Y&R character) and it annoys me. On Y&R Devon is a C-list character in my mind---mildly important but not some big ratings draw or fan favorite. The way they act in the promo, it's like Taylor Swift is dropping in.
 

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I started Bold and Beautiful when I was in high school, from episode 1. Curiosity.
I found it quite glamourous and neat for a daytime show and I confess I was impressed, but I gave up a few months later, considering it was boring and slow paced (and having no interest in the Logans parasites).
For whatever reason, I started again when Sheila was about to die (for the very first time) and I remember thinking I might have missed some juicy stuff.
But I left the show again.
I was back on track a few years later (The Massimo Marone and Stephanie's new short platinum haircut era) but gave up a couple of years later again.
It was TV. I mean : french TV and I had been into VO for a long time thanxs to Uncle Net and YT, so the french dubbing didn't make it to my ears (no offense to all those great actors/tresses who make a wonderful job).
I started again to watch a few months ago (official YT channel) just in time to witness our favorite (mine at least) Sheila playing her own version of new lady in town (1993) and I'm addicted.
Here is my point (at last...) : I found many vintage B&B episodes enough to watch (good writing, wonderful acting, great lighting) I don't need to waste my time with a clone and its so many cliché and déjà vu storylines...
I honestly didn't think B&B was so good. Not flawless of course. But strong stuff.
 
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Could it be that BTG is in danger of being canceled? At first glance, it doesn't seem that way, because just last week CBS aired a BTG (promo) special on daytime, and now here's the announcement of the biggest crossover yet with Y&R, which is even getting mainstream media attention:


But why all the effort? One might think that CBS is so impressed with the quality of BTG that it wants to finally get more viewers—incidentally, the ratings have been fairly stable since week 2—but could it not be enough in the long run? Nothing is known about streaming numbers, but I assume they're behind Y&R and B&B, and as far as TV is concerned, things should be going better, considering that B&B, as BTG's lead-in, surpassed Y&R in the important women 18-49 demos for the first entire quarter ever last quarter. BTG isn't doing much better than The Talk did, but I assume it's more expensive to produce. Will CBS continue production because they know that nothing will perform better anyway, or will they have to find alternatives for the 2 pm time slot sooner or later?
 

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We might never know for sure, but the crossovers might be an effort to hold "traditional viewers" (that is, people like me who watch their soaps on the network in its regular, daytime slot) in their seats for the whole 2.5 hours to watch all three soaps rather than channel-surf. ABC made a similar effort in the 2000s with lots of crossovers but even going so far as remaking their three big soaps' opening titles and incidental music to look and sound similar to one another. I don't see this as a desperation move on the part of the BTG producers or even CBS in general, since like you say the show is holding its own, ratings-wise. If anything it might be fun for the average, long-suffering Y&R viewer to see Victor, Jack, etc. on different sets and interacting with different characters. I think America could use a break from Y&R's often repetitive I will crush you! scenes. Part of me would love to see The Great Victor Newman on someone else's turf and unable to get in the last word, but that might be too much to ask.
 

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It’s hard to know without consolidated data on the streaming/catchup numbers (I’ve only ever seen them referenced regarding the show’s premiere week).

I suppose the basics are that BTG is averaging 1.5m live viewers in its 2pm timeslot. On the positive side, this is (just) slightly better than the previous time-slot holder The Talk, which finished up on 1.3m. On the negative side, BTG is losing nearly half of its lead in audience from Y&R, which averages 2.8m. It’s also rating lower than its ABC timeslot competitor General Hospital, which averages 1.8 to 1.9m.

CBS were quick enough to announce its renewal for a second season, so it’ll be interesting to see if they announce anything on the shows first anniversary or if they’ll see how the second year plays out before committing to more.
 

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This week marks one year since BTG premiered. I watched the first week but didn’t continue with it. I wasn’t expecting them to reinvent the wheel but I was expecting something a bit different. When I saw that it was basically the same as the other CBS soaps (in production style at least), I bailed. Has anyone here stuck with it? Has it developed into something a bit different over the last 12 months?
 
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