Watching NuWho

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It is also true, however, that any series, Including Doctor Who will be discussed by people and there will be both positives and negatives.
Of course, it's just that the "I don't like this or that about Doctor Who" opinion morphs into a "ratings and decline" discussion. The disappointment and decline can happen simultaneously but in essence they're two different things.
The only thing that matters is how you feel about the episodes, not all those many other people I don't know and who never post on this forum.
 

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Of course, it's just that the "I don't like this or that about Doctor Who" opinion morphs into a "ratings and decline" discussion. The disappointment and decline can happen simultaneously but in essence they're two different things.
The only thing that matters is how you feel about the episodes, not all those many other people I don't know and who never post on this forum.
Not sure what you are trying to say. The" Ratings and decline discussion" has been a part of the Whoniverse for decades.
There are podcasts for Doctor Who and numerous other shows. It is part of the discussion and Whoniverse
There was a well known fan magazine that discussed all things Doctor Who at length, interviewed people from the show, conducted polls, etc
Ratings and Success or Decline is part of the discussion. It can't be ignored
 
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Generally, people who watch the show enjoy having more info about it. You included, since you have said that you watch podcasts about it, so you contradict yourself

Ah, I but listen to Who podcasts to be entertained not informed! On the Time Lash and I Hate Doctor Who focus on episodes that have already gone out so there's no danger of hearing about the show's future. Doctor Who: Too Hot for TV is about Who stories that take place in media other than TV so it's not really about the series at all. And because I listen to so many, many podcasts, by the time I get to those podcasts, they're often months or even years out of date anyway. (The exception is On the Time Lash which I listen to straight away cos it's a fave, but they've only just gotten round to talking about 'Space Babies'.)

The only thing that matters is how you feel about the episodes, not all those many other people I don't know and who never post on this forum.

That's how I feel too. It must be hard to be "a real fan", always having to take all those other people into account. When I'm watching Who, I just want to whizz about time and space and not really think about anything else.
 

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Ah, I but listen to Who podcasts to be entertained not informed! On the Time Lash and I Hate Doctor Who focus on episodes that have already gone out so there's no danger of hearing about the show's future. Doctor Who: Too Hot for TV is about Who stories that take place in media other than TV so it's not really about the series at all. And because I listen to so many, many podcasts, by the time I get to those podcasts, they're often months or even years out of date anyway. (The exception is On the Time Lash which I listen to straight away cos it's a fave, but they've only just gotten round to talking about 'Space Babies'.)



That's how I feel too. It must be hard to be "a real fan", always having to take all those other people into account. When I'm watching Who, I just want to whizz about time and space and not really think about anything else.
That's ridiculous. the podcast is talking about the show's content, past and/or present. THAT IS INFORMATION. The podcast is informing about elements of the episodes, possibly including casting, writing, direction etc while it entertains. Podcasts both inform and entertain. You can't pick and choose, since both info and entertainment are interrelated on a podcast. What "other people"? That makes no sense No being a "real fan" consists, in part, of not being a lackey for the powers that be who put out any old slop and expect people to accept it. And Doctor Who has lasted so long BECAUSE of those real fans. You deflect from the main issues and create straw man assertions, therefore your points have no validity
 
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That's ridiculous. the podcast is talking about the show's content, past and/or present. THAT IS INFORMATION. The podcast is informing about elements of the episodes, possibly including casting, writing, direction etc while it entertains. Podcasts both inform and entertain. You can't pick and choose, since both info and entertainment are interrelated on a podcast.

Okay, I very much apologise. Maybe I should have said is the reason I listen to Who-podcasts is to be entertained. The ones I listen to are mainly people expressing their opinions and having a bit of a laugh. I can't think of much fresh information about the show I've gleaned from listening to them, but there's bound to be a few bits and bobs here and there. I'm very interested in the history of the series and I've read lots about that. I'm not interested in hearing about the future of the show cos that's invariably either speculation or hype. There's no perspective. And obviously, spoilers spoil. I wanna be surprised!

What "other people"? That makes no sense

I'm sorry again. I meant the other people watching (or not), the (non) viewers who (don't) make up the ratings you're so concerned with.

You deflect from the main issues and create straw man assertions, therefore your points have no validity

Do I? God, that sounds really serious. Sorry, again. Still, I'm glad all my posts make you laugh!
 

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I feel that a lot of these TV series threads are often discussed in a "grand scheme of things" kind of way rather than what actually happens on screen.
Unless it's an episode review thread, which is what "watching NuWho" used to be.

It's like saying I don't like this film and here are the box office figures to prove it.
Or, if someone asks you did you like this or that film/episode? and you say, lemme check the ratings, oh I found it. here's the url.
It's all becoming so clinical and I'm far more interested in obscure details like how did they think of this question.
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I mean, not even Hollywood Wives which was her most famous novel.
 

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I feel that a lot of these TV series threads are often discussed in a "grand scheme of things" kind of way rather than what actually happens on screen.
Unless it's an episode review thread, which is what "watching NuWho" used to be.

It's like saying I don't like this film and here are the box office figures to prove it.
Or, if someone asks you did you like this or that film/episode? and you say, lemme check the ratings, oh I found it. here's the url.
It's all becoming so clinical and I'm far more interested in obscure details like how did they think of this question.
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I mean, not even Hollywood Wives which was her most famous novel.
That is an erroneous cause and effect evaluation. ie People might say that they do not like a film, and refer to ratings as an indicator of the film's lack of quality/, not because it is the cause of their opinion. People are just as likely to refer to a site like Rotten Tomatoes if they like the film and RT has a good rating for it
 
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People might say that they do not like a film, and refer to ratings as an indicator of the film's lack of quality/, not because it is the cause of their opinion
But most of your posts are about the "failure" of the series as a whole, which tells me absolutely nothing.
Also, not just how it makes you feel, but you-and-the-whole-fanbase. I don't know this fanbase, they don't post here. Why should I care?
 

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But most of your posts are about the "failure" of the series as a whole, which tells me absolutely nothing.
Also, not just how it makes you feel, but you-and-the-whole-fanbase. I don't know this fanbase, they don't post here. Why should I care?
You don't have to care, not sure what you are trying to say.

I was just saying that people do not make up their minds about ratings first when deciding about whether they enjoy a show or not
Most of them don't even know what the ratings are for a show
Shows like "Seinfeld" and "Cheers" began with low ratings. Clearly, people enjoyed them and they both had many seasons


The larger point has been lost, somehow.
IF Doctor Who is to continue as a series, changes will need to take place
It may all be a moot point, since the reality is that the BBC will need a streaming partner, and there may not be one, at least for the foreseeable future
 
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And why, exactly, is that the larger point in a Watching NuWho thread?
I thought that the point was abundantly clear, from the sentences that you chose not to acknowledge.
However, for the purposes of clarity, I will rephrase.

The thread is Watching NuWho
It begs the question of whether there is and/or will be a NuWho to watch, considering that there are no confirmed plans to
resume production, except for a Christmas special that is not yet scheduled to go into production, and no new Doctor
has been announced. In summary, the larger point is that we don't know when, or even if, there will be a NUWho to watch

Hopefully, that clarifies it
 
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The thread is Watching NuWho

Yeah, and it was originally specifically about Watching NuWho -- not Endlessly Worrying and Speculating about The Future of NuWho and Repeatedly Slagging Off The Same Old People For the Same Old Things.

It begs the question of whether there is and/or will be a NuWho to watch

There is plenty of Who to watch and it was all Nu to this thread's original poster who was discovering it all for the first time, which is what made it so specific and refreshing and interesting, and not like all the other speculative, moany, repetitive online discussions about Who, of which there must be hundreds and hundreds.
 

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Yeah, and it was originally specifically about Watching NuWho -- not Endlessly Worrying and Speculating about The Future of NuWho and Repeatedly Slagging Off The Same Old People For the Same Old Things.



There is plenty of Who to watch and it was all Nu to this thread's original poster who was discovering it all for the first time, which is what made it so specific and refreshing and interesting, and not like all the other speculative, many, repetitive online discussions about Who, of which there must be hundreds and hundreds.
My goodness, you really have no idea. You yourself said that you watch podcast and all those things that you mention are discussed in multiple podcast, so you contradict yourself-again.
You also talked about wanting to know about the history of the show, definitely a part of podcast
Part of the history of the show is that on multiple times, the show was on the verge of being cancelled, and people participated in efforts
to keep it going. But of course, there would be no NuWho without those people, a fact that somehow you can't comprehend
And somehow you have issues with fans of the show wanting it to be...good! Oh No!
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Would you say the same things to fans of Star Wars and Star Trek? Those fandoms have many similar issues, and those fandoms want to see
the shows return with quality shows Those fans might be far more vocal than Doctor Who fans. I guess in your view, they have no right to
voice their opinions, since things like ratings and show quality determine whether their favorite shows will continue
What you call endlessly worrying/speculating is such a false, broad, mischaracterized description, it is ridiculous.
Many shows have fans who are quite well-informed, including Star Trek and Star Wars.
But you wouldn't know anything about being informed about anything
 
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You yourself said that you watch podcast
I listen to podcasts. I don't watch them. A small detail, granted.
all those things that you mention are discussed in multiple podcast
But not necessarily the podcasts I listen to, or if they are, they're discussed in a funny, entertaining way, rather than an endlessly moany negative boring way.
You also talked about wanting to know about the history of the show
Well, after Who came back, I spent about the next fifteen years or so reading and watching a lot about the history of the show. I'm, no expert, far from it, but my curiosity has been somewhat sated on that score. So I don't really listen to the Who podcasts I listen to for information so much as to be entertained by the presenters and guests on their subjective reactions to Who stuff. It's not really what they're talking about, but the way they talk about it that appeals to me.
there would be no NuWho without those people, a fact that somehow you can't comprehend
It's just not something I think about very much.
somehow you have issues with fans of the show wanting it to be...good! Oh No!
Hmm, do I? No, I don't think so. I just liked it more when this particular thread was about the specific experience of watching specific episodes of Doctor Who, and the actual content of the actual episodes themselves.
Would you say the same things to fans of Star Wars and Star Trek? Those fandoms have many similar issues, and those fandoms want to see
the shows return with quality shows Those fans might be far more vocal than Doctor Who fans. I guess in your view, they have no right to
voice their opinions, since things like ratings and show quality determine whether their favorite shows will continue
No, I don't mind what they do.
you wouldn't know anything about being informed about anything

Well ... you've just put my entire existence up to this point in a completely different perspective, a bit like that Jodie Whittaker two-parter where they gave Dr Who a whole new past!

 
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It's just not something I think about very much.
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Hmm, do I? No, I don't think so. I just liked it more when this particular thread was about the specific experience of watching specific episodes of Doctor Who, and the actual content of the actual episodes themselves.

No, I don't mind what they do.
You certainly mind when Doctor Who fans want more info about their favorite show, but you indicated that you wanted to learn about the show's history, contradicting yourself. And if you don't mind what fans of SW and ST do, it is inconsistent that you would not grant fans of Doctor Who the right to find information from various sources and utilize that information in such a way that might result in a better show...Oh No!
Well ... you've just put my entire existence up to this point in a completely different perspective, a bit like that Jodie Whittaker two-parter where they gave Dr Who a whole new past!

It must be sad to be uninformed and not care about anything. When events are not good, people then say 'Oh I did not know' Not good
 
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It must be sad to be uninformed and not care about anything.
Granted, I am shockingly ignorant about a lot of things, but it is not strictly accurate to say I don't care about anything. For starters, I am very concerned that eighteen years' worth of EastEnders episodes is set to disappear off the iPlayer in ten months' time.
 

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There is plenty of Who to watch
As a matter of fact, I still haven't seen any of the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Doctor stories and that means there's literally future in this particular thread.
I have not reached the R.I.P. Doctor part yet.

Of course I understand Jock Ewing Fan's concern for the future of the series, but being a fan doesn't mean that we can have it exactly the way we want it. ALL of my favourite TV series are flawed in some way and I have the option to celebrate my favourite parts and ignore the bad ones. Or find something good in the parts that are considered less successful. Or at least have some fun with my own criticism. Sometimes it's the only way to get through the bad parts.
The broad strokes criticism that you find in every TV thread here (the decline of Dallas! / Dynasty fans left in droves!) doesn't appeal to me very much.
True, this is also part of the history of all those TV series but there isn't much that you can do with it apart from repeating that well-known criticism. It becomes a frustration that feeds itself.

However, the Doctor Who that may or may not happen isn't real, we can't be a fan of something that doesn't exist yet.
 

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You certainly mind when Doctor Who fans want more info about their favorite show

No, I really don't. I'm just not necessarily interested in what they're interested in, i.e., things that haven't happened yet. (Also: speculation is not the same as information.)

you wanted to learn about the show's history, contradicting yourself.

I think you're conflating two different things.

And if you don't mind what fans of SW and ST do, it is inconsistent that you would not grant fans of Doctor Who the right to find information from various sources and utilize that information in such a way that might result in a better show...Oh No!

I'm not in a position to grant anybody anything. As I previously said, I just preferred this thread before it got all moany.

As a matter of fact, I still haven't seen any of the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Doctor stories and that means there's literally future in this particular thread.

Lots to look forward to!


ALL of my favourite TV series are flawed in some way and I have the option to celebrate my favourite parts and ignore the bad ones. Or find something good in the parts that are considered less successful.

Yeah, that's often the most fun part.

The broad strokes criticism that you find in every TV thread here (the decline of Dallas! / Dynasty fans left in droves!) doesn't appeal to me very much.
True, this is also part of the history of all those TV series but there isn't much that you can do with it apart from repeating that well-known criticism. It becomes a frustration that feeds itself.

That's one of the pitfalls of posting on the internet, I think. Because one has the opportunity to restate the same opinions over and over, there's the danger of one's mind becoming closed around those opinions till you can't let any new thoughts in.
 
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