What Story Lines Of The Later Years

[Bobby Southworth]

Would you not give up? What were some of the better plots? As I stated, the tanker collision and oil spill in season 13 stands out, and Cliff's transformation during season 11 was done well. The scene where he makes peace with Miss Ellie. Also, at the risk of being cast out of here before I've barely even arrived I also thought there was some merit to the story involving Bobby's brief obsession with the Pam lookalike in season 13. At least it finally showed that he had some emotion and consideration for Pamela after all, and it was true that he never got to say goodbye to her, albeit, by his own choice.

 

[Miss Texas 1967]

I don't know what everyone else thought of the Nicholas Pearce storyline but on rewatch I enjoyed it a lot, not necessarily the affair with Sue Ellen stuff, moreso the friendship with April and vague mystery behind who he was.

 

[Kenny Coyote]

Would you not give up? What were some of the better plots? As I stated, the tanker collision and oil spill in season 13 stands out, and Cliff's transformation during season 11 was done well. The scene where he makes peace with Miss Ellie. Also, at the risk of being cast out of here before I've barely even arrived I also thought there was some merit to the story involving Bobby's brief obsession with the Pam lookalike in season 13. At least it finally showed that he had some emotion and consideration for Pamela after all, and it was true that he never got to say goodbye to her, albeit, by his own choice.

The whole story of Bobby and April's relationship, everything that eventually led to them getting married and the marriage itself is something I enjoyed. It was once story and I thought they were very good for each other. Sheree J. Wilson was the one really great addition to the show in the later years and she had a big part in keeping the series still fun to watch in its later years.

You don't think Bobby show emotion or consideration for Pam until the Pam-lookalike story? He was devastated when he saw her in the hospital all bandaged up after the accident. He showed plenty of emotion and consideration. How about the consideration Pam showed Bobby? She left him repeatedly. Bobby never left her. Bobby never broke up with her. At some point, when a woman keeps running away from her husband, you can't blame him when he decides he's had enough of her doing that to him.

 

[Miss Texas 1967]

I liked Bobby and April a lot. On the topic of Jeanne O'Brien, I find it really odd that any woman would be happy to play the part she did in Bobby's life. Who'd want to date a guy that admits he's only interested in you because you look like his ex-wife? I know she said she liked that she got a chance with a guy who was worlds away from the life she lived, but if you look at it deeper, she didn't. Bobby spent time with Jeanne knowing she wasn't Pam but wishing she was, he wasn't really giving her a chance. That wasn't the point of the storyline but from a woman's perspective it's weird lol

 

[Kenny Coyote]

I liked Bobby and April a lot. On the topic of Jeanne O'Brien, I find it really odd that any woman would be happy to play the part she did in Bobby's life. Who'd want to date a guy that admits he's only interested in you because you look like his ex-wife? I know she said she liked that she got a chance with a guy who was worlds away from the life she lived, but if you look at it deeper, she didn't. Bobby spent time with Jeanne knowing she wasn't Pam but wishing she was, he wasn't really giving her a chance. That wasn't the point of the storyline but from a woman's perspective it's weird lol

I agree that most women wouldn't want that, but a woman who had a self-esteem problem might feel like it was helping her feel better about herself by being with a man she thought was 'too good for her", just like a man with a self-esteem problem might feel like a woman he thought was "too good for him" was making him fee better about himself. Jeanne would not have felt better about herself in the long term, but maybe at the time, she felt like it helped her.It's the only answer that occurs to me right now as to why she would want that. She even told him that with her, he could have Pam when he wanted, so I suspect she had self-esteem issues.

 

[Bobby Southworth]

The whole story of Bobby and April's relationship, everything that eventually led to them getting married and the marriage itself is something I enjoyed. It was once story and I thought they were very good for each other. Sheree J. Wilson was the one really great addition to the show in the later years and she had a big part in keeping the series still fun to watch in its later years.

You don't think Bobby show emotion or consideration for Pam until the Pam-lookalike story? He was devastated when he saw her in the hospital all bandaged up after the accident. He showed plenty of emotion and consideration. How about the consideration Pam showed Bobby? She left him repeatedly. Bobby never left her. Bobby never broke up with her. At some point, when a woman keeps running away from her husband, you can't blame him when he decides he's had enough of her doing that to him.

Yes, Bobby was devastated at first, but as soon as he got the divorce papers she sent, he tells the family never to speak of her again. Huh? I understand being upset by her behavior, and her behavior was out of character as well(as I've stated previously my disdain for the way this whole ordeal was handled by the writers), but in her defense, she was traumatized. As soon as he got those divorce papers, he seemed to turn his back on her. When Cliff had a lead on where she was by the end of season 11, Bobby just simply says, "She knows where I am." It seemed he just shut off all emotion for Pam until season 13 and Jeanne. This is not reflective of my opinion of who treated who the worst/best prior to the accident. I do think Bobby deserved to be treated better than he was on several occasions during their first marriage. However, he also wasn't perfect.

 

[Justine]

I'm actually in the middle of a season 10 onward re-watch because I don't remember much and have never watched beyond Sue Ellen's departure. I have always liked the Calhoun storyline, however.

 

[Bobby Southworth]

I liked Bobby and April a lot. On the topic of Jeanne O'Brien, I find it really odd that any woman would be happy to play the part she did in Bobby's life. Who'd want to date a guy that admits he's only interested in you because you look like his ex-wife? I know she said she liked that she got a chance with a guy who was worlds away from the life she lived, but if you look at it deeper, she didn't. Bobby spent time with Jeanne knowing she wasn't Pam but wishing she was, he wasn't really giving her a chance. That wasn't the point of the storyline but from a woman's perspective it's weird lol

I imagine Jeanne looked at this as an opportunity to get her foot in the door of having a relationship with a guy like Bobby. She probably hoped he would eventually begin to want her for her. No, it doesn't make her very likable, but the reason the story line stands out to me is more because we finally see Bobby showing some emotion for Pam.

 

[Kenny Coyote]

As soon as he got those divorce papers, he seemed to turn his back on her.

I would imagine getting divorce papers from a woman will do that to man, especially if this is their second marriage she wants to end. At some point, he decides that he's not going to spend his whole life keeping on trying to convince her to come back when she doesn't want to. If she does want to, she knows where he lives.

Yes, Bobby was devastated at first, but as soon as he got the divorce papers she sent, he tells the family never to speak of her again. Huh?

I think it's self-preservation. How much longer can he go on feeling devastated? He's got to be able to function. He's got a responsibility to his son to be able to effectively parent him.

 

[Bobby Southworth]

I would imagine getting divorce papers from a woman will do that to man, especially if this is their second marriage she wants to end. At some point, he decides that he's not going to spend his whole life keeping on trying to convince her to come back when she doesn't want to. If she does want to, she knows where he lives.



I think it's self-preservation. How much longer can he go on feeling devastated? He's got to be able to function. He's got a responsibility to his son to be able to effectively parent him.

Yes, but in this instance, why did she want to end it? She had just been in a horrific car crash where she was probably burned beyond recognition. She wasn't in her right state of mind. She probably thought she was ending things for Bobby and Christopher's benefit. It seems Bobby would have known this, and at least tried to have one final conversation with her, but instead, he just seems to blame her and compartmentalize. I get the need for self preservation and needing to take care of Christopher, but it seems that behavior should have come a little later, after he at least tried to see her, which he never did.

 

[Jimmy Todd]

I would imagine getting divorce papers from a woman will do that to man, especially if this is their second marriage she wants to end. At some point, he decides that he's not going to spend his whole life keeping on trying to convince her to come back when she doesn't want to. If she does want to, she knows where he lives.



I think it's self-preservation. How much longer can he go on feeling devastated? He's got to be able to function. He's got a responsibility to his son to be able to effectively parent him.

You both make valid points. Bobby had been through so much with Pam up to that point. I can see him shutting down emotionally to keep his sanity.
However, what doesn't make sense is the reaction of the other characters. Someone should have said, if not to Bobby than to another family member, that Oam could be traumatized and not thinking rationally. When Sue Ellen went off on one of her worst drinking binges JR was ready to close the book on her. Miss Ellie told him straight out he can't just do that since she was part of the family. Yeah, the situation wasn't exactly the same, and it was the Dream Season, but it still is more true to character. It's hard to believe Miss Ellie would let it just end the way it did.
I can even see JR using his connections to find out exactly what happened to Pam. Not necessarily to bring her back, but to either keep her away or to make it look like he brought her back for Bobby when he needed to play the "hero card," in one of his schemes.

 

[Laurie Marr]

Yup. The oil tanker collision was the last story - after a couple of very lacklustre years - that really felt like Dallas. I even remember being surprised at the time at this very unexpected return to form. Alas, it was all too brief and the storylines nosedived again. This time terminally.

 

[Sarah]

@Bobby Southworth - Pam told Bobby not to come after her...

 

[Miss Texas 1967]

I know people have a real distaste for the institution storyline, but you have to admit this was funny. I thought JR's friendship with the guys there was cute.

 

[Monzo]

What I liked about the later seasons was the attempt to bring back characters from the successful years.

It was a great shock to see Katherine at Pam's bedside, but unfortunately nothing came of it. I also liked the return of Lucy, but again the opportunity was missed, similar to Afton, who had a lot of potential thanks to her daughter. All three comebacks didn't go as well as I had hoped, but I found all of them promising at the beginning.

I liked the return of Lady Jessica best. It was a great twist on Ellie and Clayton's (already good) murder mystery and paved the way for JR to get into the asylum. I didn't really like his stay there, but maybe it would have been better if we had seen him more often with Jessica.

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

I imagine Jeanne looked at this as an opportunity to get her foot in the door of having a relationship with a guy like Bobby. She probably hoped he would eventually begin to want her for her. No, it doesn't make her very likable, but the reason the story line stands out to me is more because we finally see Bobby showing some emotion for Pam.

Yeah I think all the bottled up feelings which he had pushed aside when he moved on without her in his life anymore just came back to haunt him.

I don't think Bobby was really fully over Pam, he might've given us all the impression that he was but deep down inside him I don't think her ever truly got over her. Why else would he tell his family not to speak her name ever again? He tried to push aside and bury his pain and I suppose to an extent that worked because he kept himself busy with Ewing Oil but Jeanne O'Brien was just enough to bring all his feelings for Pam back up again.

 

[Lastkidpicked]

I don't think Bobby was really fully over Pam, he might've given us all the impression that he was but deep down inside him I don't think her ever truly got over her.

You are right about this. He tried to stay strong for Christopher's sake, but neither one will fully recover from losing Pam.