What was the plan for Mark?

Bobby Southworth

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I enjoy the story-line as much as many people, but if he told her he was Jock, would she have really just let him go? This seems to be confirmed when in season 13 she curses at Jock for being an oil man, as if he had been gone for many years. Talking to his memory.
 
Pamela_E

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Via The Void said:
If Patrick Duffy had not returned the Ben Stivers character really would've turned out to be Jock.

Patrick's resurrection from the dead more or less ruined Steve Forrest's chances of remaining on Dallas as a re-cast Jock Ewing.

Even though they tried again in season ten it still didn't work out. In both instances of the character the intention was for him to be Jock. If he wasn't meant to be Jock then why did his X rays match Jock's, when they wrote Steve Forrest off the show the X rays weren't mentioned again. They concentrated on the polygraph test saying that he only passed it because he believed he was Jock. The X rays were conveniently forgotten. Two completely different men can never have identical X rays, it's impossible therefore Wes Parmalee had to have been Jock Ewing all along. :(
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It was all done to make you think it was Jock, it was pointless making him Jock. They were not about to write out Howard Keel, what would they have achieved story wise?

The x-rays were all fractured as far as I recall. Where are you getting this info?
 
tommie

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Pamela_E said:
It was all done to make you think it was Jock, it was pointless making him Jock. They were not about to write out Howard Keel, what would they have achieved story wise?
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Exactly. There was no way miss Ellie was going to remain with Clayton in the long term if Jock had really returned. So either they would've had to get rid of Howard Keel eventually (because there'd be no story for Clayton hanging around) or have him not turn out to be Jock (or at least *claim* not to be Jock).
 
Laurie!

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I think the sexist powers that were, would have kept ole Mark around just to make business decisions for Pam. Otherwise, we would've actually gotten to see what I always wanted to see...Pam going toe-to-toe with JR at Ewing Oil and JR continuing to "underestimate Mrs Ewing".

As for Wes being Jock...I don't think there was a snowflake's chance in Hell the cast would have allowed a new actor to portray Jock (Daddy). It would be different if Jim left on his own accord but with his tragic passing, his character was off limits as a recast
 
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Monzo said:
Would Sue Ellen have survived the explosion without major injuries? Do you have any idea what would have happened to the Ewing Oil building after the explosion?
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Sue Ellen was to have been seriously injured and blinded by the explosion and furious with Jr, as was Pam and Jack and Cliff...
 
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Grangehill1 said:
If the shower scene hadn’t have happened. Was Mark meant to be dead on the shower floor? I’ve heard that was meant to be the cliffhanger but others have said Ellie finding out Ben Stivers was Jock was the cliffhanger?
So if Mark wasn’t killed off what was the plan for him on Season 10? Would he have been promoted to main titles? Would they really have killed another one of Pam’s husbands so soon after Bobby ?
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even though Season 9 was a "dream", Mark was most likely still alive... When Pam and Sue Ellen were Flying out of Tokyo, it was clearly Mark who was being called to let him know the plane was leaving.... So, most likely, What Mark explained to Pam in Season 9 about faking his death was the truth...
 
Monzo

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Was Angelica Nero done when she was arrested? Or was she supposed to come back for a prison break, hostage situation or whatever?
 
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the-lost-son

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Dallas dream season had some moments but the overall problem was the attempt to harmonize their show to Dynasty.

It's not only the international focus, but the lack of long-term planning and a some writing with long-term consequences Dallas was always great at.

Jack & Cliff were already on bad terms with JR. Bombing Jamie would not have added anything new. Therefor I assume that Ben Stivers would have turned out to be Jock at the end of the dream season as well, because it was getting empty around JR without Bobby. It wouldn't have made any long-term effect - because I can't think of an interesting storyline for him.

I don't like the emerald-storyline, not because it's out of Dallas, but it was forgotten the moment Matt Cantrell left the scene.

I think Mark Graison's future storylines (health, past crimes digged up) would probably be dealt with and forgotten soon after.
 
Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

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Bobby Southworth said:
I enjoy the story-line as much as many people, but if he told her he was Jock, would she have really just let him go? This seems to be confirmed when in season 13 she curses at Jock for being an oil man, as if he had been gone for many years. Talking to his memory.
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Are you talking about Wes Parmalee? Miss Ellie tells the family that he told her he wasn't Jock but I think Wes probably lied to her. If he did actually tell her that he was Jock then in both instances he left to spare his family any more pain because they didn't believe him. :)
 
Sarah

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Via The Void said:
Are you talking about Wes Parmalee? Miss Ellie tells the family that he told her he wasn't Jock but I think Wes probably lied to her. If he did actually tell her that he was Jock then in both instances he left to spare his family any more pain because they didn't believe him. :)
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Do you really believe Jock.. Jock Ewing.. would walk away from the Ewing family to spare their pain?? I don’t.
 
Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

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Scream Queen Sarah said:
Do you really believe Jock.. Jock Ewing.. would walk away from the Ewing family to spare their pain?? I don’t.
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It depends on the circumstances and whether or not Wes Parmalee really was Jock all along.

If he really was Jock, he passed the lie detector test and his X rays matched but hardly any of his family believed him. The X ray results are crucial because they indicated 100% who he really was.

He tried to fight as Jock would've done. His speech at the Oil Baron's Ball. Trying to appeal to Miss Ellie to see him as he was now as opposed to what he was like before the chopper crash when he was played by the late Jim Davis. The trauma of the chopper crash would've changed him during his healing period. So yes he could've just decided to walk away because his family didn't believe him, didn't want him and didn't need him any more. Very sad. :(
 
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