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Who Sired J.R.?

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
Imho, it wouldn't have ruined Miss Ellie's character, but it would have felt as if it did. That may not makes sense, but there it is.
Also, at this late stage in the series, to make JR Digger's son would feel as if it undermined a lot of the premise of the show. If this had been an issue mentioned in the early seasons, that could have worked. Possibly.a
I am speaking of if it turned out that JR was in fact Digger's son, not if the storyline was JR was being tortured with the possibility by an enemy.

Yes, the possibility is the story. I wouldn't have him turn out to actually be Digger's son in the end -- but think about the family upheaval, how Cliff would have a field day with it, and, if Cliff and Bobby learn that Pam may have died in the shadows via neurofibromatosis, JR can think he's the half-brother to that dreaded Barnes woman and her brother.

DNA tests can confirm JR is a Ewing only shortly before Miss Ellie dies --- ideally thrown from that horse while taking the family out to Section 40 to reveal Ewing secrets she's not able to, stopped by her own demise.
 

Seaviewer

Telly Talk Warrior
This kind of story is better suited for daytime soaps.
They did it with Ridge on The Bold & The Beautiful and it's still at the back of my mind for every bonding moment with Eric and every time Steffi or Thomas brag about being Forresters.
I see why they did it - to simplify the bloodline of Ridge and Brooke's potential children - but I think ultimately it's a bad idea.
 

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
Frankly, the "daytime soap" criticism is a little silly. DALLAS had plenty of paternity issues, as did the other nighttime shows.

It all depends on how it's done.
 

Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

Telly Talk Champion
The show had the perfect opportunity to screw with JR's parentage in Conundrum when Adam showed him what life would've been like if he'd never been born. His parentage wasn't brought up at all only references to Jason the brother who replaced him in this timeline.

I do think it would've been interesting watching JR squirm in the series if his parentage had been in doubt but I wouldn't have wanted it validated. Shades of the Wes Parmalee Jock Ewing storyline! :)
 

Toni

Maximum Member
I have always taken for granted the fact that J.R. could only be Jock´s for the following reasons:

- "The Early Years". For a start, this was written by the mastermind behind the whole "Dallas". There was a lot of attention put into every detail, including that scene where Ellie goes to see Jock and "convince him" of helping them to save Southfork. That scene that starts with an argument and ends up with them in bed says it all about the nature of Ellie and Digger´s relationship. Not even once we are shown that they were more than a couple of romantic (late) teenagers who just fool around innocently. In that scene at Jock´s hotel, the writer cleverly shows us that it was Ellie´s "first time" (once they finish, she tells Jock: "Can we do this again?"). I mean, that closes the discussion to me. Ellie and Digger´s friendship was that, platonic, not a love story. And Jock was her first and only love, no matter that she had "other reasons" to marry him. And, well, Digger drank so much that probably he was already impotent by then!

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...And he used to go gallivanting around Texas, too.
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- Press reports for TEA: I remember that at the press reports of "The Early Years" at the time (and here I refer to magazines from 3 different countries at least!), one of the points they make is that "decent" Ellie got pregnant out of wedlock. Let´s also remember that Digger was causing a lot of trouble to the Southworthes by that time too. So 2+2=4.

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Ellie: "Would you accept J.R. if he was Digger´s son?"
Jock: "Hmm, sorry, I´m sleepy. What did you say?"
Ellie: "We´d better make some more chili..."

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- Finally, if Miss Ellie had been lying about it to her family, then the whole narrative of "Dallas" goes down the toilet. I agree with some of the opinions you have posted here, but I prefer to simplify this (and most other) "Dallas" question(s).

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Chase: "You bastard..."
Richard: "No. YOU bastard"​

Speaking of "Falcon Crest", I think that Richard being Angela´s son was a big mistake, and perhaps it was Chase the one who should NOT have been a son of Jacqueline´s. That would have caused havoc in the 7th season (Chase´s will not valid, fight for the land between Richard, Maggie & Angela) instead of turning everything upside down with that revelation... I wouldn´t want something like that on "Dallas". I did buy Pam not being Digger´s because it was totally unexpected and we weren´t that used to those things in shows (at least not in Spain)... and because it allowed for Katherine to be "sister dearest" to Pam, one of the most enjoyable and exciting long-term storylines in all "Dallas" history.

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Katherine: "I did write that letter because I wanted you and Bobby apart.
I want you for me only, Pam"
Pam: "I can´t believe... you are lebanese..."​
 
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Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
And, well, Digger drank so much that probably he was already impotent by then!

Ha! So then we should find out that Jock was the father of Cliff and Pam, and Miss Ellie's shameful secret is that Rebecca told her years ago (y'know, girl talk)!

No wonder they were aghast when Bobby brought Pam home -- she was his sister!! :eck:

Buncha whores. We just have to determine which ones!
 

Willie Oleson

Telly Talk Schemer
I could also imagine an alternative plot where an ailing JR discovered his mystery illness to be Neurofibromatosis
I really like this idea. It wouldn't have to be spelled out in a typical deathbed confession - the impact is mostly dumped on the viewer.
It explains so much about JR’s psychology
And maybe also why Miss Ellie allowed JR to be raised by Jock, a sacrifice to even out her guilt.

I don't think it would retroactively change the whole narrative but it would be the perfect comeuppance, and a better reason for JR to (try to) kill himself rather than that silly "what would Dallas have been without JR" episode.

Oh, and Gary's kids would be the only true blood Ewing heirs. KNOTS LANDING wins.
 

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
Oh yeah, that would have been a much bigger game changer. And it kinda makes sense since she sold her first son to the Nazis. Chase was the replacement.

And who would Chase's biological father be? Carlo Agretti? That would make some karmic sense: Chase's pursuit of Carlo's killer was a primordially instinctive pursuit to find his own father's killer.

It would also explain why evil Jacqueline coaxed Douglas into helping with kidnapping of Baby Richard by telling him the false story that Carlo had sired the child (as per my version of the tale). It was her perverse "guilt" over having had Carlo's real baby, Chase.
 

Willie Oleson

Telly Talk Schemer
It would also explain why evil Jacqueline coaxed Douglas into helping with kidnapping of Baby Richard
Agreed. Douglas' contribution to the kidnapping should have been based on deceit or blackmail, and not "on a whim" as described in Peter's letter (what the hell did he know anyway?).
And who would Chase's biological father be? Carlo Agretti?
Peter Stavros? :lol:
 

Willie Oleson

Telly Talk Schemer
Maybe it's a little far-fetched but I'd explain Peter's paternity as follows:
After Angela's reckless driving accident that crippled Tuscany Valley resident Elizabeth permanently (another life ruined, and a toast to you, bitch) Angela herself was also hosptitalized because that's what rich people do when they need a band-aid.
Filthy rich playboy Peter. who had been obsessively in love with Angela for quite a while, has spies everywhere and is indeed watching her every move.
He bribes/threatens a doctor to drug Angela and then artificial inseminate her with Peter's semen freshly and cold-packed flown in from Greece.

Meanwhile, in another soap city:
Ding-dong!
UPS guy: Semen, freshly flown in from Greece! Could you please sign here?
Alexis: But I ordered croissants freshly flown in from France, you idiot! Do I look like I need more semen? *slams door*
 

Jimmy Todd

Telly Talk Mega Star
Agreed. Douglas' contribution to the kidnapping should have been based on deceit or blackmail, and not "on a whim" as described in Peter's letter (what the hell did he know anyway?).

Peter Stavros? :lol:
Please refresh my memory. How did Peter find out about Jacqueline and Douglas' scheme in the first place.
 
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