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Will you buy a Dallas complete collection Bluray set?

Will you buy a Dallas Complete Collection bluray set even with all the remastering errors?


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Knots4ever

Telly Talk Active Member
Except that stuff that ends up on streaming services rarely recreates the hype of the original TV broadcasts. It could have if streaming had preceded the TV-series-on-DVD-phenomenon. I remember that the news of DALLAS and DYNASTY coming to DVD was quite the spectacle.
People who wanted to rewatch DALLAS have already done that and I don't think that their decision to buy/re-buy this cleaned up version has anything to do with availability.
We got the volumes, the box sets and the repackaged box sets of both DALLAS and DYNASTY so I guess the confidence in the buying public hasn't wavered yet.
And this has happened to many other TV series as well, they just keep re-releasing Little House On The Prairie and that makes me wonder just how expensive it is to produce these sets.
Appreciate what you are saying but you are looking at the past. A release on physical media today is far from a spectacle, even if it is a show that had never been available on VHS, DVD or BluRay before.
In fact you almost counter argue the point you've made. There are so many options of Dallas on physical media and fans have bought one or more of them a long time ago. LHOTP has a broader audience in any event and is timeless as it could be a show made today to run on Hallmark or one of the family-friendly channels. It was repeated across countless channels until 2010 over and over again. Even today it still bring in decent ratings on linear TV. That doesn't apply to Dallas.

Perhaps the bluray set would require some additional promotion or bells and whistles to convince the public that this is something that they really really wanna have.
It seemed to work for the Doctor Who bluray collection.

Again, that creates costs. DW is a very different product.

If it's made only one diehard Baywatch fan happy to get the bluray version then I would consider it a success. I don't feel sorry for the megacorps who were allowed to grow thanks to our many purchases. They can easily bounce back from the occasional flop - well, not that that's ever stopped them from releasing DVD box sets of TV series that nobody wants whilst totally ignoring our craving for Knots Landing DVDs; a soap opera with so much cultural American historical relevance that Warner Bros ought to be commissioned by The Government itself because Knots is something that could be teached at universities.

One fan buying physical media while tens of thousands are streaming is far from being a success. It's the opposite. It means the company has lost money, a considerable amount. Had it stuck to selling streaming rights only then it would not only have paid for the remastering but also made a profit.
It's all well and good for you to say you don't feel sorry for the "megacorps". The simple and in a way sad fact is that every single studio, network, cable channel and distributor is in the red. The money to just say "ah well that BluRay release was a waste of time and money" simply isn't there any longer.

WBD has clearly stated that its business model from early this year onward is diversifying streaming by selling rights to third parties rather than sticking to dumping content on its own platform as the exclusive home and means to watch a certain show or movie. The public are no longer prepared to pay for a streaming service because of a handful of things that are exclusive to it. Add the cost of living crisis to that. Pretty much the entire library is available for streamers to but, including all the Lorimar stuff. RTL+ in Germany for example is just about to add Falcon Crest because it has made a big deal out of being the "home for old-school prime time soaps" and has added Dallas in HD, Dynasty in HD, 90210, Melrose Place
 

Willie Oleson

Telly Talk Schemer
A release on physical media today is far from a spectacle
If WB would announce the release of the complete Knots Landing on DVD today (yes, not even bluray) this forum would literally explode. Like Empire Valley.
The Australian soap Sons & Daughters is already being re-released (repackaged) as we speak.

It's kinda like when music became available to download, initially illegally. The music industry did suffer from it but not nearly as much as the record companies would want you to believe. Because many people who preferred downloads over physical media weren't potential customers to begin with. They downloaded because they could, to get music for free. That was the kick of it. My brother has never bought any DVDs and I think he owns 3 or 4 CDs. The film and music industry was never going to get any money from him. It's just not his thing.

The simple and in a way sad fact is that every single studio, network, cable channel and distributor is in the red.
May have something to do with making lots of bad decisions, like cancelling great tv series or firing the best directors, actors and whatnot. If they're bleeding I hope it hurts like hell.

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I will never forgive them for what they did to my precious Dynasty. Or New Dallas.
RTL+ in Germany for example is just about to add Falcon Crest
That's great and I'm happy for the German fans. And still I'm sure they would have preferred the DVDs.
 

TJP

Telly Talk TV Fanatic
There is also the argument Warner Bros could state to the world we hug trees and care about the environment by no longer producing and shipping physical media. I wonder what Jock Ewing would make of all this?

Physical media are far less of a problem for carbon dioxide emissions, so from the standpoint of environmental care physical discs are clearly preferable. Repeatedly streaming the same show / episode and thereby causing lots of data being transmitted is a totally overlooked problem as far as CO2 is concerned. I wonder when governments come up with taxes or other sorts of emission fees for streaming services.
 

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
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I will never forgive them for what they did to my precious Dynasty. Or New Dallas.

Although what happened to DYNASTY (despite wonderful Season 9) and nuDALLAS arguably the two shows did to themselves.
 

Knots4ever

Telly Talk Active Member
If WB would announce the release of the complete Knots Landing on DVD today (yes, not even bluray) this forum would literally explode. Like Empire Valley.
The Australian soap Sons & Daughters is already being re-released (repackaged) as we speak.

It's kinda like when music became available to download, initially illegally. The music industry did suffer from it but not nearly as much as the record companies would want you to believe. Because many people who preferred downloads over physical media weren't potential customers to begin with. They downloaded because they could, to get music for free. That was the kick of it. My brother has never bought any DVDs and I think he owns 3 or 4 CDs. The film and music industry was never going to get any money from him. It's just not his thing.


May have something to do with making lots of bad decisions, like cancelling great tv series or firing the best directors, actors and whatnot. If they're bleeding I hope it hurts like hell.

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I will never forgive them for what they did to my precious Dynasty. Or New Dallas.

That's great and I'm happy for the German fans. And still I'm sure they would have preferred the DVDs.
I admire your romanticised view through rose-tinted glasses, I really do.

Alas in the real, cold world of business it would not be worthwhile to release a Knots Landing boxset even if ever single member of this site would buy two of them.
 

Jock Ewing Fan

Telly Talk Star
Big Dallas Fan, but I have seen it all already. Nothing that is rereleased would make Seasons 13 and 14 any better
Seasons 11 and 12 were not exactly first-rate, but it was at least watchable, and I liked the Range War story.
It could have been extended with some additional elements
 

Willie Oleson

Telly Talk Schemer
Alas in the real, cold world of business it would not be worthwhile to release a Knots Landing boxset even if ever single member of this site would buy two of them.
Now that it has been established that the songs copyright thingy is not the issue (as we thought initially) what exactly is it that would make a Knots Landing set absolutely unprofitable? What do you think makes it so expensive or undoable to produce? Better still, could you back it up with facts?

It's not like it would be the biggest collection ever.

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And that's not even an international release (they're currently at Complete Series 26!). Are you sure that I'm just a romantic? Not that I mind being a romantic.
 

Knots4ever

Telly Talk Active Member
Now that it has been established that the songs copyright thingy is not the issue (as we thought initially) what exactly is it that would make a Knots Landing set absolutely unprofitable? What do you think makes it so expensive or undoable to produce? Better still, could you back it up with facts?

It's not like it would be the biggest collection ever.

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And that's not even an international release (they're currently at Complete Series 26!). Are you sure that I'm just a romantic? Not that I mind being a romantic.
You’re just being romantic which is proven by the example you’ve just used.

Viavision is a small Aussie company with 11 employees. They buy rights cheaply for Australia only (a very small market). They then dump everything on discs, package them in boxes printed in China and sell them without region code and by making use of a grey area in law, internationally.

They don’t improve the quality of what they get or indeed do anything to it. They don’t even add subtitles if they aren’t supplied with the master files.

Total revenue last year was less than $700,000 (Aussie).

No big studio is going to cheaply sell rights to them or similar companies (there’s another one in Germany operating in a similar fashion).

Where studios go through the laborious and expensive process of remastering something, they do it for their own benefit. And that brings us back to my original point - why add more costs by making BluRays where that is unlikely to be cost-effective? Much easier to simply distribute to streaming services in return for licensing fees. For those who have their own streaming service, easy to put it on that as well. It bulks out content and in turn might bring in a few hundred additional subscribers.

However you feel about it, businesses exist to make money and unless run badly, they will not do something that eats into profits.
 
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TJP

Telly Talk TV Fanatic
Now that it has been established that the songs copyright thingy is not the issue (as we thought initially) what exactly is it that would make a Knots Landing set absolutely unprofitable? What do you think makes it so expensive or undoable to produce? Better still, could you back it up with facts?

It may be hard for us fans to understand, but when the "Knots Landing" DVDs were released (seasons 1 and 2), the sales were so poor that Warner Bros. did not break even. Not even did WB get anywhere near the break-even point. It may be surprising for us (as a small group), but "Knots" has basically no international following, and the U.S. market wasn't big either, so they pulled the plug.
"Falcon Crest" did slightly better, particularly due to its huge international success, so they produced at least season 3 on DVD, even with remastered picture (albeit not in HD).

Let's hope when the HD remastering of the whole WB library has been done, they will put a few of these shows on Blu-ray after the amortization of the remastering cost though streaming sales.
 

Willie Oleson

Telly Talk Schemer
It may be hard for us fans to understand, but when the "Knots Landing" DVDs were released (seasons 1 and 2), the sales were so poor that Warner Bros. did not break even.
It's all about the big box sets these days, and the only reason Knots has no active following is because it's not being repeated over and over again, unlike E.R. and Law & Order, two series that got 100+ discs box set treatment.
However you feel about it, businesses exist to make money and unless run badly
And being "in the red" as you put it proves that they've been doing a great job so far? Must have been those two Knots Landing sets that destroyed them.

It may be hard for us fans to understand
It's not just about being a fan, it's also about common sense. Knots Landing is not some cheesy prime time soap knockoff like BERRENGER'S or BARE ESSENCE, it's a soap series of the highest quality. To me it makes sense to invest in quality.
This whole succumbing to WB's cynical coroporate approach is exactly what has allowed highly unqualified execs to ruin some of the best TV series (and perhaps their own company in the process).

I'm not asking for the moon and the stars, I don't need an Ultra HD 4K platinum grande deluxe version of Knots. If they would just "dump" the SD quality on DVDs (or let someone else do it) then that's perfectly fine with me.

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But the whole world wants to rewatch old crap like Gunsmoke even though most of the fans are no longer alive?
 

Garry

Telly Talk Fan
It's all about the big box sets these days, and the only reason Knots has no active following is because it's not being repeated over and over again, unlike E.R. and Law & Order, two series that got 100+ discs box set treatment.

And being "in the red" as you put it proves that they've been doing a great job so far? Must have been those two Knots Landing sets that destroyed them.


It's not just about being a fan, it's also about common sense. Knots Landing is not some cheesy prime time soap knockoff like BERRENGER'S or BARE ESSENCE, it's a soap series of the highest quality. To me it makes sense to invest in quality.
This whole succumbing to WB's cynical coroporate approach is exactly what has allowed highly unqualified execs to ruin some of the best TV series (and perhaps their own company in the process).

I'm not asking for the moon and the stars, I don't need an Ultra HD 4K platinum grande deluxe version of Knots. If they would just "dump" the SD quality on DVDs (or let someone else do it) then that's perfectly fine with me.

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But the whole world wants to rewatch old crap like Gunsmoke even though most of the fans are no longer alive?
I own this. I love it! I'm not dead yet. ;)
 

Billy Wall

Telly Talk Dream Maker
Like it or not, soap operas are a very hard sell when it comes to home video. With shows that every episode is a stand alone, you can watch episode's randomly. You can't really do that with soap operas. You are pretty much obligated to buying the whole set, as opposed to sitcoms or dramas like Little House on the Prairie, Bonanza or Gunsmoke.
 
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Knots4ever

Telly Talk Active Member
It's all about the big box sets these days, and the only reason Knots has no active following is because it's not being repeated over and over again, unlike E.R. and Law & Order, two series that got 100+ discs box set treatment.

And being "in the red" as you put it proves that they've been doing a great job so far? Must have been those two Knots Landing sets that destroyed them.


It's not just about being a fan, it's also about common sense. Knots Landing is not some cheesy prime time soap knockoff like BERRENGER'S or BARE ESSENCE, it's a soap series of the highest quality. To me it makes sense to invest in quality.
This whole succumbing to WB's cynical coroporate approach is exactly what has allowed highly unqualified execs to ruin some of the best TV series (and perhaps their own company in the process).

I'm not asking for the moon and the stars, I don't need an Ultra HD 4K platinum grande deluxe version of Knots. If they would just "dump" the SD quality on DVDs (or let someone else do it) then that's perfectly fine with me.

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But the whole world wants to rewatch old crap like Gunsmoke even though most of the fans are no longer alive?
Studios, networks and channels aren’t in the red because of how they, in your opinion, treated some series years ago… or today; they are in the red because people’s consumption of media has changed.

Whether we like it or not, we no longer live in a period like the 1970s-2000s where families sat down together to watch a show every evening, where they went to the movies on the weekend, where they rented two movies at Blockbuster on a Friday and where they happily paid for cable including HBO.

It’s the same story across radio.

Advertisers don’t pay big bucks for their commercials not to be seen which is why TV and radio ad revenue is in the dumps whereas Netflix is being overrun by ad bookings for its basic tier with ads. Disney is looking at selling off ABC and even ESPN and at the same time is copying Netflix by launching a basic tier of Disney+ with ads because that’s where advertisers want to go.

Add to that the general change in consumer behaviour which means less businesses which advertise. The last decade has lost huge amounts of companies which used to spent massive amounts on advertising - Sears, KMart, JCPenny, Neiman Marcus, Toys’R’Us, Circuit City, Fry’s, Blockbuster, Sam Goody among many more.

Malls are deserted and people buy online. The problem with that is that a company like Amazon, despite a few commercials every now and then, doesn’t need to advertise. So ad revenue is down, down and down some more.

No ad revenue = no money to produce. Whatever is being produced must be profitable on its own and that usually means streaming as people pay for it and more recently there are ads as well. There’s not much room for failures.

To make things worse, younger people want it all - they want to pay as little as possible, preferably nothing at all and they want it when they feel like it. That's why Paramount's Pluto TV is such a massive success. It's free, it's got something like 200 FAST channels with many dedicated to single shows back-to-back, movies and everything you previously had to watch when dictated by TV channels or record (or couldn't watch at all because no channel was showing it)... and on top of that it has a massive on-demand catalogue which adds up to more than even the biggest Blockbuster store ever had available. Oh, and it's FREE.
Same with Freevee and Tubi, although a few years behind Pluto.

The thing is, streaming makes it possible to watch stuff that would never have been put on a TV channel again, let alone on physical media. One example to bring this back closer to the actual topic - Tubi has the award winning 1976 Spelling drama "Family" available to watch (for free!). I knew my mom was a massive fan back then but there had never, ever been a way for me to watch more than a clip here and there on Youtube. There was one release on DVD in 2006 which utterly flopped but even when stock didn't shift the price never dropped below $40 and no way in hell would I have paid that, even back then when I was buying DVDs. Fast forward to lockdown 2020 and I find it on Tubi and I binged it in a week. Beautifully made, intelligent, in parts even groundbreaking for its time and a pleasure to watch. Without streaming it would have gathered dust somewhere in the back corner of an archive.
 
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Seaviewer

Telly Talk Warrior
It's all about the big box sets these days, and the only reason Knots has no active following is because it's not being repeated over and over again, unlike E.R. and Law & Order, two series that got 100+ discs box set treatment.
It's a bit chicken-or-the-egg, though. I'm sure they would argue that they don't repeat it because it has no following.
That's why Paramount's Pluto TV is such a massive success. It's free, it's got something like 200 FAST channels with many dedicated to single shows back-to-back,
We just got Pluto. I don't see the point of it. They have a Dynasty channel, for example, but you can only tune in to whatever random episode happens to be on.
 

Knots4ever

Telly Talk Active Member
It's a bit chicken-or-the-egg, though. I'm sure they would argue that they don't repeat it because it has no following.

We just got Pluto. I don't see the point of it. They have a Dynasty channel, for example, but you can only tune in to whatever random episode happens to be on.
No different to any basic cable channel running back-2-back episodes of whatever show they fancy putting on but it’s entirely free instead of spending $100 on cable for the same. With its huge amount of local news (US version) it basically offers what cable does to all those who are now refusing to pay for cable (in Q1 2023 alone, 2.3 million Americans cancelled their cable!).
Most things that are on FAST channels are also in the on-demand library so you can watch whichever episode you want to watch. Some things are not available due to rights issues though.
 

Jock Ewing Fan

Telly Talk Star
It's all about the big box sets these days, and the only reason Knots has no active following is because it's not being repeated over and over again, unlike E.R. and Law & Order, two series that got 100+ discs box set treatment.

And being "in the red" as you put it proves that they've been doing a great job so far? Must have been those two Knots Landing sets that destroyed them.


It's not just about being a fan, it's also about common sense. Knots Landing is not some cheesy prime time soap knockoff like BERRENGER'S or BARE ESSENCE, it's a soap series of the highest quality. To me it makes sense to invest in quality.
This whole succumbing to WB's cynical coroporate approach is exactly what has allowed highly unqualified execs to ruin some of the best TV series (and perhaps their own company in the process).

I'm not asking for the moon and the stars, I don't need an Ultra HD 4K platinum grande deluxe version of Knots. If they would just "dump" the SD quality on DVDs (or let someone else do it) then that's perfectly fine with me.

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But the whole world wants to rewatch old crap like Gunsmoke even though most of the fans are no longer alive?
Gunsmoke was a great series and many people watch it on tv.

From Wikipedia

The radio series ran from 1952 to 1961. John Dunning wrote that among radio drama enthusiasts, "Gunsmoke is routinely placed among the best shows of any kind and any time."[1] It ran unsponsored for its first few years, with CBS funding its production.

In 1955, the series was adapted for television and ran for 20 seasons. From 1955 to 1961, it ran in half-hour episodes, and one-hour episodes from 1962 to 1975. A total of 635 episodes were aired over its 20 year run. At the end of its run in 1975, Los Angeles Times columnist Cecil Smith wrote: "Gunsmoke was the dramatization of the American epic legend of the west. Our own Iliad and Odyssey, created from standard elements of the dime novel and the pulp Western as romanticized by [Ned] Buntline, [Bret] Harte, and [Mark] Twain. It was ever the stuff of legend."[2]

Following its regular television series run, five made-for-tv movies were produced.

The show won 15 Primetime Emmy awards as well as other accolades. It was frequently well received, holding a top-10 spot in the Nielsen ratings for several seasons.


Burt Reynolds and Dennis Weaver were both series regulars at one time.

Jim Davis was featured on 11 episodes

 

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
Gunsmoke was a great series and many people watch it on tv.

From Wikipedia

The radio series ran from 1952 to 1961. John Dunning wrote that among radio drama enthusiasts, "Gunsmoke is routinely placed among the best shows of any kind and any time."[1] It ran unsponsored for its first few years, with CBS funding its production.

In 1955, the series was adapted for television and ran for 20 seasons. From 1955 to 1961, it ran in half-hour episodes, and one-hour episodes from 1962 to 1975. A total of 635 episodes were aired over its 20 year run. At the end of its run in 1975, Los Angeles Times columnist Cecil Smith wrote: "Gunsmoke was the dramatization of the American epic legend of the west. Our own Iliad and Odyssey, created from standard elements of the dime novel and the pulp Western as romanticized by [Ned] Buntline, [Bret] Harte, and [Mark] Twain. It was ever the stuff of legend."[2]

Following its regular television series run, five made-for-tv movies were produced.

The show won 15 Primetime Emmy awards as well as other accolades. It was frequently well received, holding a top-10 spot in the Nielsen ratings for several seasons.


Burt Reynolds and Dennis Weaver were both series regulars at one time.

Jim Davis was featured on 11 episodes


Oh, Willie Oleson/JZKnight's not really all that serious. He's just busy channeling. And it makes him make noises.

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