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Fair enough.
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Vanessa Hunt. Terrible voice, terrible acting, terrible stories.
Frank Williams. They killed off the wrong Williams.
Peter and Ted were pretty good characters, IMHO. Agree with the rest.
Frank Williams. They killed off the wrong Williams.
Nick made me laugh a bit.
Peter and Ted were pretty good characters, IMHO. Agree with the rest.
Agree with everything except Olivia. She was much better than say, Charlie Wade or Ben Agretti or Jason Lochner or Julie Williams.
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Oh yes. How could I forget Frank? He really got on my nerves most of the time with his simmering aggression and his boisterousness. I don't know his original voice, but his German dubbing always reminded me of a kind of "snarling dog," ready to pounce and bite at any moment.
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Ah, sweet Jason with his Hanson Brothers hair. I thought he was alright it's just that Mack's over-the-top social worker role made me cringe.
There was something similar going on in Dynasty's second season when Dr. Toscanni (an anti-Carrington) became disproportionately concerned for Blake's grandchild.
Come to think of it, that's even worse.
That was also my impression but then she improved herself and her stories. Didn't she intimidate Anne at some point?
I still hate Dirty Kate.
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Fun Fact: Dr Toscanni was played by James Farentino - Michele Lee's first husband...
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She tried. Vanessa knew Anne wasn't really pregnant and tried to blackmail Anne, who found the effort rather laughable.
"What are you going to do---threaten my first-born? No, Paige would eat you alive."
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Why "dirty Kate" - I think, she was boring. If she would have been more "dirty" she probably would have been much more interesting in my eyes. LOL
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Never understood why Mary-Francis offed. Her replacement was lame.
Paige is terrible. She made no mark on television other than chasing after an old man. She was never used an angry step-daughter for Karen. Never really used as an angry daughter for Mack, calling him MACK and not Dad was annoying. Her relationships were weak. She displayed no humanity. I loved Alexis because she stated what she wanted. She served a purpose and you liked her despite her tactics. Paige is a f---- bore!
Sumner- I didnt hate, he was underused. Is he the West Coast JR? No? Yes? Maybe?
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ALL the garbage from seasons 10 onward.
Paige is terrible. She made no mark on television other than chasing after an old man. She was never used an angry step-daughter for Karen. Never really used as an angry daughter for Mack, calling him MACK and not Dad was annoying. Her relationships were weak. She displayed no humanity. I loved Alexis because she stated what she wanted. She served a purpose and you liked her despite her tactics. Paige is a f---- bore!
Sumner- I didnt hate, he was underused. Is he the West Coast JR? No? Yes? Maybe?
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ALL the garbage from seasons 10 onward.
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My guess is that when they wrote Mary-Frances's return/murder plotline, they had not anticipated that Stacy Galina (in her short time onscreen) would make such an impact on viewers. M-F was likely seen as "easily expendable" since the character had not been mentioned in years. I recall a lot of soap magazines saying good things about Galina's performance. The same situation had occurred with Lisa Hartman's Ciji---people were left wanting more. So when the show brought in the Claudia character to help fill the void left by Donna Mills's departure, the show used that opportunity to bring back Galina as the "look-alike cousin". Kate could function in the same capacity Olivia Cunningham had for Abby--the "good" daughter horrified by the bad things her mother did. Good idea, but lackluster execution because Olivia had been about 13-15 years old when Abby was doing her worst, whereas Kate was 21-22---old enough to be her own person and not just "Claudia's innocent little girl". In order to maintain Claudia's motivations (scheming to secure a portion of Sumner's fortune for Kate), they had to write Kate as having a sort of stunted growth and not having much of a POV as a character.
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Thanks for reminding me about Anne 's line to Vanessa about Paige eating her alive, @Daniel Avery. I always liked that quips.
@Jock's Ghost makes a valid point about Paige's humanity, or lack thereof. I think there were times they showed another, more humane side to her in the later seasons, but they were too few and far between. The writers leaned too much into the "ice queen" persona.
I also wish she had more conflict with Karen. I wanted Karen to admit to Valene how much she despised her. They just seem like two personalities who would not get along at all.
@Jock's Ghost makes a valid point about Paige's humanity, or lack thereof. I think there were times they showed another, more humane side to her in the later seasons, but they were too few and far between. The writers leaned too much into the "ice queen" persona.
I also wish she had more conflict with Karen. I wanted Karen to admit to Valene how much she despised her. They just seem like two personalities who would not get along at all.
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I liked that Karen and Paige were at a stalemate because that's a more realistic position for most step-parents/step-children... plus Karen understood if she rocked the boat too much with Paige.. it would risk pissing off Mack. It was nice to see that Paige didn't fawn over Karen, or treat her like the second coming of Christ like others did.
Her brief scene in the 1997 reunion tv movie was perfect because Paige had expressed what she wanted (a child/family), and when Greg wasn't receptive she decided to choose herself and leave him. I'd like to think that Paige did move somewhere new, started a new life, met a nice guy, and had a career/family/marriage.
I think Kate worked a bit better in the final season once she was moved out of being the 'moral compass' for Claudia.. and the show developed her friendship with Paige.
Her brief scene in the 1997 reunion tv movie was perfect because Paige had expressed what she wanted (a child/family), and when Greg wasn't receptive she decided to choose herself and leave him. I'd like to think that Paige did move somewhere new, started a new life, met a nice guy, and had a career/family/marriage.
I think Kate worked a bit better in the final season once she was moved out of being the 'moral compass' for Claudia.. and the show developed her friendship with Paige.
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I don´t know if becoming a cold beech who wants to shag a neighbor who´s just widowed is "working a bit better". That was totally unbelievable and unforgivable. Ted should have said "no" to this.
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She was boring, but she also couldn't wait to get knocked up by Gary the minute Valene was presumed dead.
What a nasty scheming whore. How DARE she!
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Um, I wouldn't go so far as to insult her like you did here.
It always takes two. Gary is certainly not Kate's "victim" here. He was just as involved. But Gary is kind of a "male whore" anyway.
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Gary was always a whore.... it goes along with his alcoholism, always needing validation.
Still do not get why Paige was on the show that long and what purpose she served. She created the divide the later seasons have. You have the original kids, the circle characters, Gary, Val, Laura, Karen, Mack, and all their children and (or) girlfriends/boyfriends. And then you have the other series with Sumner, Paige and all these boring weirdos we dont care about. Claudia being one.
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Completely agree with you - and I never cared about the boring "Paige & Sumner - Show".
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True, but I did think Danny Waleska made a credible, horrible short-term addition to the show and I liked the Williams family. Watching first Karen and then Mack stalk the new neighbors was sorta priceless...
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Actually Gary was a major addict. No booze and no Val, he just took the nearest girl as her replacement when she winked winked at him twice.
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Me too. I liked DW, he added some much needed energy when the show was slowly dying. Although, Val married him a little too quickly, but I guess after Gary twice and Ben, it was inevitable.