Snarky Oracle!
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Miss Ellie sure said they would've --- but would they really??
Would Jock and Clayton have gotten along?
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Billy Wall
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To a certain degree, I think there’d been mutual respect. I don’t think they’d been buddies though.
Laurie Marr
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I doubt it. Clayton gave the impression of being a little more cultured and polished than Jock. Come to think of it, Luther Frick appeared more urbane……
Jock Ewing Fan
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Not in any way.
Clayton sheltered Sue Ellen and John Ross from Southfork.
JR once remarked that his father died while John Ross was not at Southfork.
I once read (I think) that Jim Davis's passing necessitated massive rewrites.
I am guessing that that was a Ewing-Farlow war.
Clayton was a self-righteous blowhard with designs on Sue Ellen.
He cheap punched JR at his second wedding to Sue Ellen
Jock may have been drastic in teaching the oil business with JR,
but he would have backed JR against Clayton, unlike Miss Ellie.
I would loved to have seen Jock over Clayton
Clayton sheltered Sue Ellen and John Ross from Southfork.
JR once remarked that his father died while John Ross was not at Southfork.
I once read (I think) that Jim Davis's passing necessitated massive rewrites.
I am guessing that that was a Ewing-Farlow war.
Clayton was a self-righteous blowhard with designs on Sue Ellen.
He cheap punched JR at his second wedding to Sue Ellen
Jock may have been drastic in teaching the oil business with JR,
but he would have backed JR against Clayton, unlike Miss Ellie.
I would loved to have seen Jock over Clayton
Seaviewer
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@Jock Ewing Fan makes some good points but absent the history, if they'd met with a clean slate, I think maybe they would.
Michelle Stevens
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I wished that they would have met during the brief time they were on the show together. I doubt they would have been friends.
Jon Ewing Jr.
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I think there was actually only one, maybe two episodes where they were actually on the the same episode. Never together. When Sue Ellen found Dusty after the plane crash and visited him Jock was still alive and Clayton appeared.
alovelylady7991
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Now that I'm near my 60th year on this good ole' Earth, that sentiment of "You Can't Make Old Friends" - makes more and more sense to me. It's the notion that once you reach a certain point in your life, you might be friendly or approachable - but - you simply don't have the need or desire to make deep or complicated friendships - at least - not in the same way you did when you were "young". I think that applies - here - to Jock and Clayton - especially to Jock - who already had a life-long best friend in Punk Anderson - so - he'd see no need to embrace Clayton into his life - in any real way.
Here is the brilliant song, that really explains this notion;
Dolly Parton / Kenny Rogers:
Here is the brilliant song, that really explains this notion;
Dolly Parton / Kenny Rogers:
Crimson
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It's always seemed improbable to me that Jock and Clayton wouldn't have known each other, even if only casually; they were major players in the the same industries (ranching & oil) in the same state.
Whether they would have been friends seems situational. If their first encounter had been when they were shielding Sue Ellen, probably not. If they had met earlier, it seems like they would have at least been respectful business acquaintances.
Whether they would have been friends seems situational. If their first encounter had been when they were shielding Sue Ellen, probably not. If they had met earlier, it seems like they would have at least been respectful business acquaintances.
Snarky Oracle!
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And what if the sex was bad ... ? --- that complicates everything.
Luke_Krebbs_Ewing
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Jock and Clayton had a few run in's on his return to Dallas. Clayton even threatened to kill him on one occasion!
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Luke_Krebbs_Ewing
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In view of this shocking news let's take another look at this photo again!
Where exactly has Clayton grabbed hold of Jock, and why hasn't Jock pushed him away!!
It's all coming out now!
Jimmy Todd
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I think Jock would have respected Clayton. Clayton would have respected Jock, but I think he would have looked down on Jock a bit. I imagine he would have viewed him as a somewhat amoral person. Jock would not be able to relate to the cultured aspect of Clayton.
I do wish they had some scenes together. Two great actors!
I do wish they had some scenes together. Two great actors!
Michelle Stevens
'The Lovely Michelle'
I would agree with you on this. If Ewing Oil had been around since the 1930's and been a major oil producer with connections all over Texas one would have assumed Jock and Clayton would have meet sometime over the previous forty or so years. Just a missed opportunity when writing these characters.
Jock Ewing Fan
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Didn't Clayton win an Oil man of the Year award? Granted it was post-Jock but I agree, most oil men knew about each other.
Luke_Krebbs_Ewing
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Snarky Oracle!
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Howard Keel once described the character of Jock as being something of "a reprobate."
Jock Ewing Fan
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Maybe you are right. The last 2-3 seasons are kind of difficult to recaqll sometimes.Clayton never won Oil Man of the Year.