Would we have had Conundrum if Victoria returned for the final episode?
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Toni
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I agree: only to become the first POTUS-A...
Either that, or to shoot and kill JR, and then wink at the audience and say: "You see, it was my show after all..."
I did read the report on "Conundrum" at the time on Soap Opera Digest with pics and all, and they did mention the Victoria part, so I´d say it´s true.
What I think should have been different, is the (hardly) no-flashbacks policy for that ending, maybe because VP didn´t let them use her bombastic figure... But then, why not use a clip from "Earthquake", for instance...?
"Look Pammie, that´s the Ewing Building. Go
and throw some stones at their windows..."
Jabari Lamar
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To be clear, what part are you saying is true?
Toni
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That she refused to return because she wasn´t assured it would be the last episode ever. I´ll see if I have that somewhere still.
Jabari Lamar
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Okay, the part I'm looking for is if she is directly quoted as saying that, or whether it was Katzman or one of the other producers who said it.
Toni
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By memory, I´d say she isn´t directly quoted, the producers said it. I´ll try to confirm it.
Luke_Krebbs_Ewing
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I have a feeling she never stipulated the series last episode to be the last ever one as a reason for not coming back.
She must've had other more personal reasons for not reprising Pam again.
Pamela_E
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Victoria was not invited on to the TNT show, Cynthia Cidre told us (those at the Channel 5 launch) herself. In my opinion there is far too much emphasis placed on her decisions, it was not up to her what happened to Pam and she should not be able to dictate like that.
Victoria is a fascinating individual, I wonder how intentional it is.
Not sure if I should say this but I actually believe she posted on this forum in relation to her age being questioned and not just one time
But I do really like her and find her intriguing.
I was also fascinated how she seemed to change her image over a few years. I was watching how she was in interviews back on the very early 80's compared to the mid 80's and beyond, it's like a different person. She appeared to find a new confidence, in control persona.
Taylor Bennett Jr.
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they should have convinced Victoria to participate in the episode somehow, with Pam’s life in a JR-less world exactly mirroring Victoria’s - an actress/sex symbol with successful exercise and beauty product lines called the The Body Barnes and The Principal Barnes Secret respectively.
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Laurie!
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Thank gawd she wasn't invited to that disaster that made me despise the Bobby character and turned Cliff into a lunatic mobster. Cidre was horrible! Wait, what's she doing now??Victoria was not invited on to the TNT show, Cynthia Cidre told us (those at the Channel 5 launch) herself. In my opinion there is far too much emphasis placed on her decisions, it was not up to her what happened to Pam and she should not be able to dictate like that.
Speaking of dictating...Patrick made a lot of "demands" (ever wonder why that word is seldom used to describe men's wants), wanting Bobby to die a hero and not fooling the viewers into thinking he might still be alive (weird how they did that to Pam in spite)...only to come back to the show and "demand" more screen time and less ensemble, etc. Btw, didn't Linda dictate more screentime and power for Sue Ellen on TNT's version too?
Laurie!
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She would never! Haha
Luke_Krebbs_Ewing
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How can you be so sure?
Just like myself, how can you be so sure that I'm not Lucas Krebbs Ewing?
Or that Wes Parmalee was really my GrandFather Jock Ewing?
You can't be sure, can you? Because despite what I or Victoria Principal might say or do you haven't got any proof to support it!
Luke_Krebbs_Ewing
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Possibly married to Mark Graison with a guest appearance by John Beck.
tommie
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I mean, they did invite her back for the series finale which surely had already started taking form in the writers room at that point - I'd agree that we'd probably see a scene with Pam, happily married with multiple children since that would tie back to JR pushing her down the loft and causing her to miscarry.