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Oh, please. There's no way two Democrats brought you into the world. :re:


You guys ran a complete troll for president and fell flat on your face. Get over it already.
Ever notice how SER trolls my posts not directrd at him while he publicly bitches that I am a troll?
 

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No, that's according to Trump. Don't know if you've heard this today, but this morning, it was reported concern growing over revelations that voting machines in a significant number of states could be linked to a company tied directly to billionaire leftist George Soros and his personal quest to create a nationless, borderless global state. It may or may not have any effect at all, but that's what was mentioned and it is on the internet. Now, Soros may be as innocent as the driven snow, but a UK based company,Smartmatic posted a flow-chart on its website that it had provided voting machines for 16 states, including important battleground states like Florida and Arizona. Smartmatic Chairman Mark Malloch-Brown is a former U.N. official and sits on the board of Soros’ Open Society Foundations. Since the story first broke, the flow-chart has disappeared from Smartmatic’s website, raising further questions about the real status of the Soros-tied voting equipment and whether it is truly being deployed in U.S. elections. Smartmatic is not on a list of federally certified providers for election systems.

May or may not mean a thing, but if it's anyway close, I would not be surprised if both sides don't demand a recount.
Well this is very comforting..
 

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IMO, that they have been derelict in their performance. They were split long before Trump came along.
Split over what? What is it that the opposing factions really want that they think they're not getting?

For the most part they can't and don't agree among themselves, much less across the aisle.
And the Democrats are supposed to work with these people? Speaking of which, I believe the Democrats controlled Congress for 40 years from 1955-1995 and yet, things still got done, even when Republicans were in the White House because they were willing to work with the other side. Why do Republicans think they shouldn't have to do the same? For example, Obama nominated a perfectly moderate appeals court judge (Merrick Garland) to replace Scalia on the Supreme Court and the Republicans have obstinately refused to even give him a hearing. That's a decision they could live to regret if the Democrats regain control of the Senate and Hillary can nominate anyone she wants.

I think "throw the bums out" have dual definition, depending who's saying it. Both parties want things their way. On some issues there really may not be any room for compromise, and some things are. For one thing, ramming through Obamacare, was the Democrat's "my way or the highway" and it was shoved through on a Friday during the Christmas holidays and it's not working.
As I recall, the Democrats had control of Congress when Obamacare was passed and the Republicans tried to filibuster its passage even after Obama tried to involve them in drafting the legislation. Therefore, the Democrats did things their way, which is what you get to do when you control both Houses of Congress and the White House. The Republicans were given an opportunity to have input and they squandered it. Also, it was passed in the Spring of 2010 so I'm not sure where you're getting the "shoved through on a Friday during the Christmas holidays" timeline.

Well, the country will probably never be ready for Cruz, Jeb Bush, Mike Huckabee was humiliated to almost the point of tears, Rubio is not ready, he jumped in to soon, Rand Paul seemed to appeal to some, but not to all.
If those are the best prospects Republicans can come up with for future candidates, I think it's safe to assume they can plan on losing more elections.

Trump was able to talk about issues the others didn't want to talk about. There's still a large following that are going to vote for him and for that you'd have to ask them, I mean, just like Bernie, Trump is hanging on.
That's just really sad. And disturbing.
 

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Ever notice how SER trolls my posts not directrd at him while he publicly bitches that I am a troll?
I've repeatedly offered to stop responding to any of your posts. All you have to do is not respond to any post of mine or post on any thread I start and I will gladly do the same. You've repeatedly declined that offer and yet continue to b!tch about it like the troll you are.
 

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Split over what? What is it that the opposing factions really want that they think they're not getting?

From my point, Republicans are a mix of the "old school GOP" who continue to retain seats they have occupied for decades and new more moderate GOP, who have more of the Progressive minded approach and they have helped create the split in the party. The old timers are not going to change and the newcomers don't believe they should either. Hence, the split. Democrats to a lesser degree have a little of this going on, but not as much. Democrats eventually agree to stick together, thus becoming stronger, GOP are not known for that.
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And the Democrats are supposed to work with these people? Speaking of which, I believe the Democrats controlled Congress for 40 years from 1955-1995 and yet, things still got done, even when Republicans were in the White House because they were willing to work with the other side. Why do Republicans think they shouldn't have to do the same? For example, Obama nominated a perfectly moderate appeals court judge (Merrick Garland) to replace Scalia on the Supreme Court and the Republicans have obstinately refused to even give him a hearing. That's a decision they could live to regret if the Democrats regain control of the Senate and Hillary can nominate anyone she wants.

Both sides should find a way to work together. One of my greatest achievements in the Human Resource area to settle disputes between employees was to assign a project between the two employees who were squabbling and have them work together until they could resolve the issue and reach common ground. That is largely how reaching across the aisle operated in the 1950's and for a bit beyond in Congress and the end result was greater unity and better resolve to important issues. All sides gave a little,in order to get a little. That's what it took to get things done. In those days, there was greater respect for the fellow man and our government fully believed and totally embraced Capitalism. Now it's the mindset of "my way, or the highway", which you had referred to earlier in another post. Now, we have Socialists and Communists who are part of Congress and while diversity can be good, it also diminishes unity that we once took for granted. It's not only Republicans who believe they shouldn't have to work with the other side,,, it's both sides. I do believe Merrick Garland should have gotten at least a hearing even if the GOP wouldn't agree to a confirmation. A lot of that is payback for past actions. Harry Reid’s claim that the Democrats "have never held up a Supreme Court nomination is not true, as the Democrats held up Reagan's apointee, Robert Bork resulting in a failed nomination. Since the 1960's, the Senate has held a hearing for nearly every Supreme Court nominee, the exception being Harriet Miers, a 2005 George W. Bush nominee who faced opposition from Democrats and Republicans alike. In order to protect the Constitutional Rights of all American's, the Supreme Court should be properly balanced and during situations when there is a possibility where Political posturing may come in to play, it becomes a battle between parties. I feel the GOP may regret not at least give Merrick Garland a hearing because they may lose more than they bargained for.


As I recall, the Democrats had control of Congress when Obamacare was passed and the Republicans tried to filibuster its passage even after Obama tried to involve them in drafting the legislation. Therefore, the Democrats did things their way, which is what you get to do when you control both Houses of Congress and the White House. The Republicans were given an opportunity to have input and they squandered it. Also, it was passed in the Spring of 2010 so I'm not sure where you're getting the "shoved through on a Friday during the Christmas holidays" timeline.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, was passed in the senate on December 24, 2009, and passed in the house on March 21, 2010. It was signed into law by President Obama on March 23rd, 2010and upheld in the supreme court on June 28, 2012.
The Senate only had 59 votes to pass the Reconciliation Act since Republican Scott Brown replaced Democrat Ted Kennedy. Therefore in order to pass the Act Senate Democrats decided to change the rules. They declared that they could use the “Reconciliation Rule (this is a different “reconciliation” than the House bill). This rule was only supposed to be used for budget item approvals so that such items could be passed with only 51 votes in the Senate, not the usual 60. Reconciliation was never intended to be used for legislation of the magnitude of Obamacare. But that didn’t stop them.

So both of the “Acts” were able to pass both houses of Congress and sent to President Obama for his signature without a single Republican vote in favor of the legislation. The American system of governance was shafted. To quote Democrat Rep. Alcee Hastings of the House Rules Committee during the bill process: “We’re making up the rules as we go along.”

When the ACA was scheduled to be rolled out, Katherine Sebelius made a horrible mess, further complicating the work that was doomed to fail.


If those are the best prospects Republicans can come up with for future candidates, I think it's safe to assume they can plan on losing more elections.

Well, it is what it is.
 
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How Donald Trump Accidentally Created The Nasty Woman Economy

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  • When Donald Trump called Hillary Clinton a “nasty woman” in Wednesday’s debate, he didn’t mean it as a compliment. But subsequently, many women have been embracing the term — if Clinton is nasty, well they want to be nasty, too.
  • T-shirts, tote bags, mugs and even a perfume have sprung up for sale on the Internet (including some products for men) that spin Trump’s slam to celebrate what they think Clinton exemplifies: female ambition, intelligence, power and action.
  • “I kept thinking about that comment after the debate, and how the phrase now has a totally different meaning,” says Elizabeth Holliday, the lead designer at e-commerce site Swanky Press. “It has morphed from the insult that Trump intended to a badge of honor for accomplished women.”
  • In a way that might be aggravating to Trump, the proof of this “nasty” movement can be seen by the measure he seems to care about the most: the money.
  • In the day following the debate, when Swanky Press introduced its Nasty Woman merchandise, sales jumped 350% from the site’s daily average. Sales at Raygun—a mini-chain based in Des Moines that Clinton has visited and that describes itself as A Prairie Home Companion meets The Onion meets Urban Outfitters—says its sales doubled after making “America Needs Nasty Women” T shirts available Thursday. Google Ghost has sold over 10,000 items of its line of Nasty woman merchandise, which includes a tee-shirt, sweatshirt and tote bag. Like many other Nasty Woman entrepreneurs, the site will donate a portion of proceeds to Planned Parenthood.
  • “If ’nasty woman’ is going to be used to describe our likely next president, then maybe we should wear it as a badge of honor,” says Amanda Brinkman, who designed the shirt for Google Ghost.
  • And then there’s Janet Jackson. The singer didn’t have to make anything new to benefit from the nasty trend. Her 1986 “Nasty” got new love after the debate; Spotify streams of the song increased 250% after the debate.
  • But there is one particular company that may benefit the most from Trump’s name-calling: clothing website Nasty Gal. After all, Sophia Amoruso’s billion-dollar business—the same one that landed her a spot on this year’s richest self-made women list with an estimated net worth of $280 million—embraced the word nasty in 2006, while, to use a Clinton-ism, Trump was still hosting Celebrity Apprentice.
  • In the day following the debate, Twitter conversation around founder and former-CEO Amoruso increased 223% and 230% around Nasty Gal, according to data from ListenFirst Media, a digital data and analytics company.
  • All of this extra social media attention will likely lead to more site visits and purchases (the company declined to confirm whether it’s seen a bump yet). It probably helped that Amoruso took advantage of Trump’s use of the word “nasty.”
  • In support of Clinton (and sales), Nasty Gal changed its website banner to read Nasty Woman following the debate and swiftly announced that it would be selling a nasty woman tote bag, which will also feature a cartoon of a regal-looking Clinton.
  • Amoruso, who named the company after a 1970s album by funk singer Betty Davis, says the driving ethic behind the company is to be a strong woman in life and in business — or, as she likes to call it, being a girlboss. Amoruso believes the ambition, intelligence and work ethic that characterize a girlboss extend to Clinton.
  • “Hillary’s a nasty woman in, like, the best way possible,” she told NPR on the day after the debate. “She stands by her beliefs. She keeps showing up.”
  • Who knows, maybe Amoruso will soon have to design a line of pantsuits.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/maddieb...created-the-nasty-woman-economy/#1a12242cf263
 

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...in-key-states-despite-clinton-camp-boast.html

However, Trump has throughout the campaign appeared to have the support of some potential crossover voters, including Latino immigrants who back his tough message on illegal immigration.

A recent CNN/ORC poll, for example, found 33 percent of registered Latino voters in Nevada support Trump, compared to 54 percent for Clinton.

Though neither Georgia nor Ohio break down early balloting by party affiliation, Trump appears to have an advantage in both states.

In Ohio, such requests are down 10 percent among black voters, who in recent decades have tended to vote for Democrats. And requests among Ohio’s increasing white population, a voting bloc in which Trump appears to do well, is up 3 percentage points, to 91 percent.

In Georgia, ballot requests and returns among black voters trail 2012 levels.
 

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I almost threw a shoe at the TV when she said "that she wanted a Supreme Court for all Americans." All Americans are not liberal minded. How can she possibly make a comment like that when she knows that is not her objective. I hate the way she panders to people just to get their vote.
A Supreme Court for all Americans should consist of justices that cite the Constitution when making their decision. Liberals and conservatives may interpret it differently, but I can respect both sides as long as they refer to the Constitution to support their position. For example, I don't want a justice like Scalia citing the views of Evangelical Christians as opposed to the Constitution when opposing same sex marriage.

It's amazing to me the number of left leaning people who think all of these Wikileaks dumpings are made up. Do they not care that the content is what is important regardless of where it came from. Obama let the majority of the American people down. He has done nothing for the African American population of this country and he could have made such a difference. Any left leaning voter who has no clue or does not care about her connection to foreign governments or Wall Street transcripts are going to be rudely awakened because you can rest assured they are not paying her hundreds of thousands of dollars to find out what she is going to do for social issues in this country. They are going to be the most disinfranchised people on the planet.
As a left leaning person, I've been saying this since the primaries. I had discussions with Democrats who tried to convince me that Hillary was a better candidate than Bernie Sanders. Many cited her experience, despite Sanders being a successful politician for the past 35 years. I countered that much of Hillary's "experience" was at the expense of the poor, minorities, and gays. I also cited her ties to Wall Street and her support of the wars in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. However, the same Democrats that supported her then continue to do so. Even so, the leaked emails from the DNC and Podesta feels like a nice consolation prize.

Personally, I don't see Trump as the answer to Hillary. He's done a great job of dismantling the Republican establishment, and he's one of the few Republicans to not come out against Social Security and Medicare. However, I find him extremely crude and divisive. His policies towards Muslims would infringe on our religious freedom and killing the family members of terrorists would be a war crime. Not to mention the fact that he bragged about the housing market crash being good for business and said getting out of paying taxes made him smart. He's a burden on the people he claims to be fighting for, and acts indifferent to it.

Both candidates will always have their ardent supporters regardless, but I think the majority of people are voting for the candidate they believe is the lesser of two evils. However, that varies from person to person.
 

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He thinks even the pets of anybody right of center is Hitler..

This one is Hitler.
That one is Hitler.
There's right of center and then there's fascism. Guess where you fall.

Everyone is Hitler but the folks driwning hostages in cages, stoning women to death and electricuting babies..

They are not Hitler, and should be welcomed into our country with our arms unfurled..
Yes, those are exactly the kind of people that should be welcomed with open arms. :re: Sadly, the thing is...it's highly debatable that you and your kind are any less treacherous.
 

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Both sides should find a way to work together. All sides gave a little,in order to get a little. That's what it took to get things done. In those days, there was greater respect for the fellow man and our government fully believed and totally embraced Capitalism. Now it's the mindset of "my way, or the highway", which you had referred to earlier in another post. Now, we have Socialists and Communists who are part of Congress and while diversity can be good, it also diminishes unity that we once took for granted. It's not only Republicans who believe they shouldn't have to work with the other side,,, it's both sides.
So the Democrats are just as obstinate as the Republicans? rotf

I do believe Merrick Garland should have gotten at least a hearing even if the GOP wouldn't agree to a confirmation. A lot of that is payback for past actions. Harry Reid’s claim that the Democrats "have never held up a Supreme Court nomination is not true, as the Democrats held up Reagan's apointee, Robert Bork resulting in a failed nomination.
Robert Bork? You mean the guy who tried to let Nixon off the hook for Watergate?

In order to protect the Constitutional Rights of all American's, the Supreme Court should be properly balanced and during situations when there is a possibility where Political posturing may come in to play, it becomes a battle between parties.
Yeah, like when they decide the outcome of a presidential election like they did in 2000. Thank God they were 'properly balanced' then. :re:

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, was passed in the senate on December 24, 2009, and passed in the house on March 21, 2010. It was signed into law by President Obama on March 23rd, 2010and upheld in the supreme court on June 28, 2012.
So it was passed in the Spring of 2010, like I said. lol

The Senate only had 59 votes to pass the Reconciliation Act since Republican Scott Brown replaced Democrat Ted Kennedy. Therefore in order to pass the Act Senate Democrats decided to change the rules. They declared that they could use the “Reconciliation Rule (this is a different “reconciliation” than the House bill). This rule was only supposed to be used for budget item approvals so that such items could be passed with only 51 votes in the Senate, not the usual 60. Reconciliation was never intended to be used for legislation of the magnitude of Obamacare. But that didn’t stop them.
As if it would have stopped the Republicans.

So both of the “Acts” were able to pass both houses of Congress and sent to President Obama for his signature without a single Republican vote in favor of the legislation.
They had their chance to participate in the process and instead did nothing but stonewall. Then they want to b!tch about it.

The American system of governance was shafted.
Translation: the Republicans didn't get their way.

Well, it is what it is.
So you don't care if Republicans continue losing elections?
 
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