Bobby and Lucas Ewing

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Is it realistic that Bobby was okay with another man raising his son on another continent? Something that has always bothered me. I know Pam was the love of his life but why was he so cavalier about this? Surely there could be some arrangement where he sees Lucas every other weekend and not at the ranch. I don't think Pam and Lucas have to be in the same room at the same time. I was sad about Pam's death and Pam/Bobby not getting their happy ending. But Bobby marrying Jenna later (not right away) but after Pam's death makes more sense especially since they share a child. Even though he loved Pam more, I never thought his love for Jenna completely went away. Those two women were his greatest loves IMO.
 

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He never married Jenna, she dumped him twice at the alter, he married Pam twice, April and Ann (crap TNT) - she should have found Pam and had the happy ending, Ray married Jenna, whilst he raised Lucas, Donna and Her hubby Someone Dowling raised Margaret! :)
 

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He never married Jenna, she dumped him twice at the alter, he married Pam twice, April and Ann (crap TNT) - she should have found Pam and had the happy ending, Ray married Jenna, whilst he raised Lucas, Donna and Her hubby Someone Dowling raised Margaret! :)
But what about Lucas? Bobby loved being a father and was a great uncle (to Lucy even before he was a dad). I wanted a Pam/Bobby ending too and I hate how their story ended. But separate from that, there's the issue of this child existing in the world and never knowing Bobby. I don't see how Bobby was cool with that.
 

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But what about Lucas? Bobby loved being a father and was a great uncle (to Lucy even before he was a dad). I wanted a Pam/Bobby ending too and I hate how their story ended. But separate from that, there's the issue of this child existing in the world and never knowing Bobby. I don't see how Bobby was cool with that.
I do not believe Bobby cared much about Lucas. He abandoned his mother Jenna while she was pregnant with him.

Is it realistic that Bobby was okay with another man raising his son on another continent? Something that has always bothered me. I know Pam was the love of his life but why was he so cavalier about this? Surely there could be some arrangement where he sees Lucas every other weekend and not at the ranch. I don't think Pam and Lucas have to be in the same room at the same time. I was sad about Pam's death and Pam/Bobby not getting their happy ending. But Bobby marrying Jenna later (not right away) but after Pam's death makes more sense especially since they share a child. Even though he loved Pam more, I never thought his love for Jenna completely went away. Those two women were his greatest loves IMO.
I would hope Jenna would never marry him. How could she ever forgive what he did to her, Charlie and Lucas?
 

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I do not believe Bobby cared much about Lucas. He abandoned his mother Jenna while she was pregnant with him.


I would hope Jenna would never marry him. How could she ever forgive what he did to her, Charlie and Lucas?
Bobby did care about Lucas. It was not in Lucas's best interest for his father to marry his mother solely out of obligation while he was in love with another woman, that's an extremely unhealthy environment for a child to grow up in. Jenna never acted in the best interest of either of her children, only her own. What was best for Lucas was.Jenna reaching a visitation agreement with Bobby, not his mother turning into a bitter scorned shrew who prevented him from having a relationship with his father. And as for forgiveness, Jenna is the one who was damn lucky that Bobby even gave her the time of day after she abandoned him and led him to believe that he was Charlie's father for years.
 

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Bobby did care about Lucas. It was not in Lucas's best interest for his father to marry his mother solely out of obligation while he was in love with another woman, that's an extremely unhealthy environment for a child to grow up in. Jenna never acted in the best interest of either of her children, only her own. What was best for Lucas was.Jenna reaching a visitation agreement with Bobby, not his mother turning into a bitter scorned shrew who prevented him from having a relationship with his father. And as for forgiveness, Jenna is the one who was damn lucky that Bobby even gave her the time of day after she abandoned him and led him to believe that he was Charlie's father for years.
I don't think it's terribly healthy for a child to grow up with a parent that doesn't see you as a priority. Jenna and Charlie were regarded as disposable in Bobby's life .... why would anyone think Lucas was going to be any different. I support her taking both children far away, though I have some disagreements about how she did it.

I always got the feeling that the Ewing children were nothing more than accessories. John Ross and Christopher lived a completely unsupervised life and were mostly ignored while their parents wallowed in drama. Lucy was clearly an afterthought to EVERYONE.

Lucas was probably better off being raised by Ray away from South Fork.
They did love their drama ...
 

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I don't think it's terribly healthy for a child to grow up with a parent that doesn't see you as a priority. Jenna and Charlie were regarded as disposable in Bobby's life .... why would anyone think Lucas was going to be any different. I support her taking both children far away, though I have some disagreements about how she did it.
That's my whole point, Jenna never saw her children as a priority, only as tickets for her financial gain. Bobby was the better parent and didn't put either of his children through a custody battle with their mothers even though he could have. And talk about disposable, Bobby was sure disposable to Jenna when she became bored with him and ran off to Europe.
 

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That's my whole point, Jenna never saw her children as a priority, only as tickets for her financial gain. Bobby was the better parent and didn't put either of his children through a custody battle with their mothers even though he could have. And talk about disposable, Bobby was sure disposable to Jenna when she became bored with him and ran off to Europe.
A custody fight is long and protracted. Bobby didn't care enough about Lucas to wage one, especially as Christopher was his priority. Sounds like Bobby got over being "disposable" ....

I’d pay good money to see raw footage of Ray doing his “strict stepdaddy” routine on a 9 month old Lucas in Switzerland:

“Crawl, dammit!”
May he'd mellow out. But why did it have to be Switzerland?

Is it realistic that Bobby was okay with another man raising his son on another continent? Something that has always bothered me. I know Pam was the love of his life but why was he so cavalier about this? Surely there could be some arrangement where he sees Lucas every other weekend and not at the ranch. I don't think Pam and Lucas have to be in the same room at the same time. I was sad about Pam's death and Pam/Bobby not getting their happy ending. But Bobby marrying Jenna later (not right away) but after Pam's death makes more sense especially since they share a child. Even though he loved Pam more, I never thought his love for Jenna completely went away. Those two women were his greatest loves IMO.
As an aside, I am also surprised JR wasn't a bit more vocal about Lucas not being raised with the Ewings. Didn't he raise a ruckus regarding Lucy?
 

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A custody fight is long and protracted. Bobby didn't care enough about Lucas to wage one, especially as Christopher was his priority. Sounds like Bobby got over being "disposable" ....
Of course Christopher was Bobby's priority,.as he should have been, and Bobby made the right call to spare his emotionally vulnerable son, who had just recently found out that was he was adopted, the nasty and long protracted custody battle for his father's biological son.. And yes, after irresponsible parent Jenna made a total mess of her and Charlie's life by fooling around with a married man, Bobby got over being disposable to Jenna and acted as the responsible parent for the child that he was led.to believe was his and put a roof over her head and clothes on her back. And he stepped up again as the responsible parent and tried to do the same for Lucas, but irresponsible parent Jenna turned into a screaming scorned shrew. And then after Ray finally convinced her to the right thing and let Bobby see Lucas, she came on to Bobby in the nursery. Nothing says I'm over being disposable like making a move on your husband's brother in his own house.
 
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Of course Christopher was Bobby's priority,.as he should have been, and Bobby made the right call to spare his emotionally vulnerable son, who had just recently found out that was he was adopted, the nasty and long protracted custody battle for his father's biological son.. And yes, after irresponsible parent Jenna made a total mess of her and Charlie's life by fooling around with a married man, Bobby got over being disposable to Jenna and acted as the responsible parent for the child that he was led.to believe was his and put a roof over her head and clothes on her back. And he stepped up again as the responsible parent and tried to do the same for Lucas, but irresponsible parent Jenna turned into a screaming scorned shrew. And then after Ray finally convinced her to let Bobby see Lucas, she came on to Bobby in the nursery. Nothing says I'm over being disposable like making a move on your husband's brother in his own house.
Good, we are in agreement over which child Bobby thought was more important. Doesn't sound like terribly responsible parenting on the part of Pam and Bobby for how Christopher found out he was adopted .... if I recall correctly he didn't hear it first from them, he heard it from Miss Ellie and Clayton. I do wish Jenna had stuck to her guns and told Ray no. Ray was supportive of Jenna's decision regarding Lucas until Pam's accident. Then he pulls a switch-a-roo.

I never saw Bobby offer any actual support to Lucas, and Jenna never asked. Maybe she didn't want anything from the man who regarded her son as second best.
 

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I agree that it would have made more sense for Bobby and Jenna to reunite and raise Lucas together after Pam disappeared. But since they writers had already paired Jenna and Ray at that point it got complicated. I think the reason why Bobby stepped aside and didn't push to be apart of Lucas' life was because of Ray and also because of Christopher. Bobby didn't want to hurt his brother. But more than anything Christopher had lost his mom and felt abandoned because he was adopted. So Bobby wanted to show his son that he came first.
 

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I agree that it would have made more sense for Bobby and Jenna to reunite and raise Lucas together after Pam disappeared. But since they writers had already paired Jenna and Ray at that point it got complicated. I think the reason why Bobby stepped aside and didn't push to be apart of Lucas' life was because of Ray and also because of Christopher. Bobby didn't want to hurt his brother. But more than anything Christopher had lost his mom and felt abandoned because he was adopted. So Bobby wanted to show his son that he came first.
I would hope Jenna would never reunite with Bobby. But by the time they had paired Jenna and Ray I think they were getting ready to write Jenna out.
 

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That's probably true. I think it would have made more sense for Donna and Ray to have been written out together.
Well my idea for that season would have been for Ray and Donna to re-unite at the end. Ray and Jenna worked as friends, not romantic partners. Since they seemed to want to get rid of Ray, he follows Donna to DC. I would have kept Mark Graison on (I'd have to come up with a way to resurrect him for real) so Jenna could wind up with him at the end .... then he, Jenna, Charley and Lucas ride off into the sunset. No Ray/Jenna, no misbehaving Charley, no Fatal Attraction/Play Misty for Me with Ray.
 

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Good, we are in agreement over which child Bobby thought was more important. Doesn't sound like terribly responsible parenting on the part of Pam and Bobby for how Christopher found out he was adopted .... if I recall correctly he didn't hear it first from them, he heard it from Miss Ellie and Clayton. I do wish Jenna had stuck to her guns and told Ray no. Ray was supportive of Jenna's decision regarding Lucas until Pam's accident. Then he pulls a switch-a-roo.

I never saw Bobby offer any actual support to Lucas, and Jenna never asked. Maybe she didn't want anything from the man who regarded her son as second best.
No, we're not in agreement at all that Bobby thought that one child was less important that the other, he cared about them both. Pam and Bobby did make a mistake by not being the ones to tell Christopher that he was adopted, but that doesn't make them irresponsible parents. Adoption is complicated territory and not an easy road for either the kid or parents. As for Ray, he showed empathy and compassion for his brother, not "pulled a switch-a-roo". Bobby most certainly did try to calmly discuss the pregnancy and providing for the baby with Jenna, Ray witnessed that and Jenna's bitter response "Oh, are you pregnant too?" as if it was an immaculate conception that Bobby had not participated in.
 
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No, we're not in agreement at all that Bobby thought that one child was less important that the other, he cared about them both. Pam and Bobby did make a mistake by not being the ones to tell Christopher that he was adopted, but that doesn't make them irresponsible parents. Adoption is complicated territory and not an easy road for either the kid or parents. As for Ray, he showed empathy and compassion for his brother, not "pulled a switch-a-roo". Bobby most certainly did try to calmly discuss the pregnancy and providing for the baby with Jenna, Ray witnessed that and Jenna's bitter response "Oh, are you pregnant too?" as if it was an immaculate conception that Bobby had not participated in.
"Of course Christopher was Bobby's priority,.as he should have been, and Bobby made the right call to spare his emotionally vulnerable son, who had just recently found out that was he was adopted, the nasty and long protracted custody battle for his father's biological son.. " So he "cared" about them both, but one was Bobby's priority. So Lucas is not Bobby's priority. That's settled.

As for Ray, he showed empathy and compassion for his brother, not "pulled a switch-a-roo".
Ray supported Jenna's decision not to allow Bobby to see Lucas up until Pam's accident. Ray can certainly show sympathy for Bobby's situation ... it was when he went back on his initial support of Jenna's stance of no contact because boo-hoo Bobby and pressured Jenna to permit it that I lost some respect for Ray. His failure to support Jenna should have been a big, red flag .... they do not belong together. Ray's Ewing relatives come before you do, Jenna.
 
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"Of course Christopher was Bobby's priority,.as he should have been, and Bobby made the right call to spare his emotionally vulnerable son, who had just recently found out that was he was adopted, the nasty and long protracted custody battle for his father's biological son.. " So he "cared" about them both, but one was Bobby's priority. So Lucas is not Bobby's priority. That's settled.
And as the infant whose basic needs were being met just fine by his mother, Lucas didn't need to be Bobby's priority at the time of his birth, older vulnerable Christopher did.
 

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Bobby most certainly did try to calmly discuss the pregnancy and providing for the baby with Jenna, Ray witnessed that and Jenna's bitter response "Oh, are you pregnant too?" as if it was an immaculate conception that Bobby had not participated in.
Yes, Bobby was a participant in conception, but he wasn't pregnant. Jenna was pregnant. Bobby left her to marry another woman. So we had a married man who elected to abandon the woman he got pregnant, then shows up whining about why she didn't tell him. This is mighty strange behavior. So Jenna informed someone behaving in a very bizarre manner that he wasn't pregnant (I guess because he had problems figuring this out for himself) and wasn't a candidate for a Miss Congeniality prize while doing it. Yawn .... what she should have been doing is going out and pricing Presa Canarios.
 
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