Minneapolis

[CeeCee72]

Why must you all be complimented?

Use the word "misogyny" all day long, it raises its ugly head.

See, the thing is, I never used the word misogyny. Frankly, all of this is a distraction from the horror unfolding before our eyes and a prime example as to why nothing ever changes.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

See, the thing is, I never used the word misogyny. Frankly, all of this is a distraction from the horror unfolding before our eyes and a prime example as to why nothing ever changes.

So very not clever.

Someone else focusing on the word 'misogyny' is why nothing ever changes? And why ICE kills people? It's not the corrupt system apparently.

I said "cow" -- someone else introduced "misogyny' into the discussion. Have we now killed that RN?

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Trump fired somebody bovine...

 

[CeeCee72]

So very not clever.

Someone else focusing on the word 'misogyny' is why nothing ever changes? And why ICE kills people? It's not the corrupt system apparently.

I said "cow" -- someone else introduced "misogyny' into the discussion. Have we now killed that RN?

No. The reason nothing ever changes is because people get caught up in silly little spats over words. People get caught up in purity tests. People get caught up in bickering over blame. And so nothing ever changes.

I'm not trying to be clever. I am truly terrified about what is happening in my country and across the globe right now. "Clever " sarcasm on the Internet isn't helping a damn thing.

The thing is, no matter how right you are or how corrupt both sides or the system is, throwing your hands up and saying, "oh, well, there's nothing to be done" isn't an option for me. Neither is saying "oh well, perhaps nurses wouldn't be being shot dead it the street of Obama hadn't illegally killed civilians with drones."

We are where we are. And if he don't stop fighting each other, we're all doomed.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

We are where we are. And if he don't stop fighting each other, we're all doomed.

Here?

No. The reason nothing ever changes is because people get caught up in silly little spats over words.

Here?

 

[CeeCee72]

Here?

Here?

Everywhere.

 

[Seaviewer]

Hence why he said Trump's being much more bombastic about it.

Again, it's not about bombast. It's about what he's doing. Of course, his gleeful language does make it even worse.
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But you ladies keep thinking like women,

I'm not a woman. Don't generalise.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Why is everyone bleating on about the US Government murdering its own citizens? Why aren't you also concerned about something a retired former President, who is dying and no longer has any power, said over a half of a century ago?

Why do you rely so often on strawman argumentation? It's clear from reading the thread that everybody is taking what's happening in Minneapolis very seriously.

As for the reference to what Biden said 50 years ago, that was meant to be humorous. People were getting into the weeds about what does and doesn't constitute misogynistic language, so I decided to bring up the fact that Biden admitted he "prostituted" himself to big money interests when he became a senator. You just took it way too seriously.

Whatever the shortcomings of previous Democrat administration, I think it's wrong to suggest it's equivalent to what is currently happening. What Trump is doing is on a scale of fascism that I can't recall happening in the USA during my lifetime.

I agree, but only in terms of fascism happening on US soil. That's been my point all along. As I've said from the beginning, what's happening is illegal, immoral, and has rightly instilled fear and anger in people. As for my larger point that I've been routinely bashed for, this isn't on the same level as what the US has done to Gaza, Venezuela, Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any number of other places. I'm sure I'll be accused of undermining what's happening in Minneapolis again, even though that's absolutely not my intention. I just think most Americans (and some foreigners) are better able to empathize with victims of tyranny when the tyranny happens on American soil. I have the capacity to empathize with both, but if we're talking a scale of fascism, I can't think of anything much worse than the last 25 years of US-backed imperialism we've experienced.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

I'm not a woman. Don't generalise.

But who was talking about you?

 

[Angela Channing]

Why do you rely so often on strawman argumentation? It's clear from reading the thread that everybody is taking what's happening in Minneapolis very seriously.

As for the reference to what Biden said 50 years ago, that was meant to be humorous. People were getting into the weeds about what does and doesn't constitute misogynistic language, so I decided to bring up the fact that Biden admitted he "prostituted" himself to big money interests when he became a senator. You just took it way too seriously.


I agree, but only in terms of fascism happening on US soil. That's been my point all along. As I've said from the beginning, what's happening is illegal, immoral, and has rightly instilled fear and anger in people. As for my larger point that I've been routinely bashed for, this isn't on the same level as what the US has done to Gaza, Venezuela, Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any number of other places. I'm sure I'll be accused of undermining what's happening in Minneapolis again, even though that's absolutely not my intention. I just think most Americans (and some foreigners) are better able to empathize with victims of tyranny when the tyranny happens on American soil. I have the capacity to empathize with both, but if we're talking a scale of fascism, I can't think of anything much wors than the last 25 years of US-backed imperialism we've experienced.

I do get your point and there is a lot of what you say that I agree with but I think taking the attention off what is going on in Minnesota by bringing up other conflicts, many of which are far worse, comes across as an attempt to downplay what is happening in America right now.

This cartoon, released during the Black Lives Matter protest, makes a similar point:

Yes, of course what the USA has done in Gaza, Venezuela, Afghanistan, etc., has been awful but it isn't the issue at hand and by trying to shift the focus elsewhere, it just lets Trump off the hook.

 

[Frank Underwood]

I do get your point and there is a lot of what you say that I agree with but I think taking the attention off what is going on in Minnesota by bringing up other conflicts, many of which are far worse, comes across as an attempt to downplay what is happening in America right now.

This cartoon, released during the Black Lives Matter protest, makes a similar point:

Yes, of course what the USA has done in Gaza, Venezuela, Afghanistan, etc., has been awful but it isn't the issue at hand and by trying to shift the focus elsewhere, it just lets Trump off the hook.

I'm not trying to "take the focus off of Minneapolis" or to "let Trump off the hook." In fact, he also has blood on his hands and must answer for the US's continued role in Gaza (and now Venezuela). He can also add the crisis he created in Minneapolis to the list of his crimes. I just wish that more Americans had pushed back this hard against their government when it was other nations and US troops they illegally put in the line of fire. US tyranny certainly doesn't belong here, but it doesn't belong anywhere else either.

 

[Angela Channing]

I'm not trying to "take the focus off of Minneapolis" or to "let Trump off the hook." In fact, he also has blood on his hands and must answer for the US's continued role in Gaza (and now Venezuela). He can also add the crisis he created in Minneapolis to the list of his crimes. I just wish that more Americans had pushed back this hard against their government when it was other nations and US troops they illegally put in the line of fire. US tyranny certainly doesn't belong here, but it doesn't belong anywhere else either.

I think the difference is that people don't believe the government's narrative. Thanks to mobile phones, they can see for themselves what is going on in Minneapolis and how the government is lying to them. That generally isn't the case for overseas military action.

 

[Laurie!]

I think the difference is that people don't believe the government's narrative. Thanks to mobile phones, they can see for themselves what is going on in Minneapolis and how the government is lying to them. That generally isn't the case for overseas military action.

Israel has prevented journalists, aid workers and even aid from entering Gaza so the story in many ways hasn't been able to be adequately recorded.

In the same vein, I think that's why ICE is trying so hard to get rid of the protesters....so they can't get close enough to record the carnage.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Now they've uncovered a video of Alex Pretti kicking out a federal vehicle 10 days before the agents killed him.

Probably A.I.??

 

[Seaviewer]

But who was talking about you?

You were talking about posters whose opinions I share, so I was included by implication.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

You were talking about posters whose opinions I share, so I was included by implication.

Really? But that self-inclusion (to say nothing of the naivete) isn't on me, is it?

 

[Frank Underwood]

Now they've uncovered a video of Alex Pretti kicking out a federal vehicle 10 days before the agents killed him.

Probably A.I.??

It's certainly possible. People thought A.I. was a joke just a few years ago, and now it dominates the web. It's scary how easily it can be used to manipulate people.

It had an uncanny valley look to it a year ago, but it's becoming much more sophisticated with time.

 

[CeeCee72]

Now they've uncovered a video of Alex Pretti kicking out a federal vehicle 10 days before the agents killed him.

Probably A.I.??

It may very well be AI, but even if it isn't, vandalizing a federal vehicle isn't punishable by the death sentence in this country (especially without a trial).

This "blame the victim" mentality has been prevalent for years. The "back the blue" movement has long given police a license to execute people in this country (especially people of color). Trump and his administration has simply found a way to expand and amplify it.

 

[Angela Channing]

. The "back the blue" movement has long given police a license to execute people in this country (especially people of color). Trump and his administration has simply found a way to expand and amplify it.

Unless you are a January 6th insurrectionist then you are hailed an hero and given a pardon by Trump for violently attacking police officers

 

[Frank Underwood]

It may very well be AI, but even if it isn't, vandalizing a federal vehicle isn't punishable by the death sentence in this country (especially without a trial).

This "blame the victim" mentality has been prevalent for years. The "back the blue" movement has long given police a license to execute people in this country (especially people of color). Trump and his administration has simply found a way to expand and amplify it.

Yes, Alex Pretti's actions in the video don't justify cold blooded murder, whether it's A.I. or not. On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't antagonize law enforcement (federal or otherwise) in today's trigger-happy police culture. The victims aren't to blame when police break the law, but you're always taking a big risk when you go up against the cops.