PSM leaving Dynasty - real reason(s)?

Michael Torrance

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Torchlight was an enormous flop!!! They ran ads for it in rolling stone. It was supposed to be something that people went to see! It attracted nobody!! But why she didn’t return ASAP to dynasty when they wanted her is BIZARRE!!!

She wrote the story and screenplay for Torchlight, so it really was something different than what she did for DYNASTY. Whether it was successful or not does not change that it was the direction she wanted her career to take--more of an active role in shaping it.
You forget that at the time DYNASTY was so wildly popular, tabloids and paparazzi were all over all the actors, and the actor's life was the story more even than the character story. Some people could deal with it (and the ridiculous storylines), such as Evans and Collins and James. Some could not. That she chose sanity over money and fame was a great choice.
 

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What did they do that was so bad?

This:


This was a step UP from Dynasty?! Lol!

Who said it was a step up? I never saw Torchlight, so I can't really give an opinion except on this one scene... and frankly, yes, it *does* seem like a step up. For one thing, PSM looks better in that clip (somehow she seems more refreshed, not to mention her hair looks longer and darker, which suits her more), her acting feels more natural, the script comes across better-written, and the guy she's paired up with seems more believable as a human being - as opposed to Peter DeVil-trash.

And what's more, why didn't PSM's Fallon ever have a bathtub scene? I know ES's Fallon had a couple shower scenes, but I don't recall PSM ever having a scene like that.
 

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True, Fallon was completely "declawed" by the time PSM left........ but I just wonder if she, if even in the back of her mind, didn't think she'd become a post-Dynasty superstar. Maybe not, though. If she did think she would, she should have used Al Corley as a post-Dynasty example....
 

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She was co-host on something called Star Games a year after leaving Dynasty. At some point on there, she was replaced by Morgan Brittany.
 

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This is taken from STAR magazine (July 1986), so you'll have to take it with a grain of salt. But, if the general premise is accurate, the producers were unhappy with Samms' chemistry with John (plus her boyfriend was a mini-Peter Holm), so they kept asking Pamela Sue Martin if she wanted to come back as late as spring 1986.

At that point, THE COLBYS was on hiatus between seasons 1 and 2 and enjoying a small post-wedding ratings momentum. Pamela had just appeared in a 4-hour miniseries 'Strong Medicine' with another killed-off supersoap star Patrick Duffy who then went on to return to DALLAS in that infamous shower scene.

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It's funny that the article ends with "tries not to pay attention to the rumors…"
Like the ones printed in their own article?
 

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Here’s something from Pamela Sue Martin, extracts from her (unpublished?) autobiography The Spirit of the Matter, found in the chapter Last Chance:

  • “Naturally, my quest for solitude did not find me on the party circuit very often. The main reason was because Hollywood parties simply made me nervous. I felt uncomfortable the minute I walked in the door. I spent some time contemplating this dilemma, and it wasn’t until years later, like so many discoveries I would make, I began to see that I was part of the problem.”
  • "Since I am well past the adolescent paranoid stage and have enjoyed these last years hidden away, it might be fun to experience it once again from the other side, who knows? I think I’d be guaranteed a better night if I went bowling, though."
  • "Excitement comes from within my being when I approach life with an open heart. A beautiful day, the breeze rustling the leaves, my dogs running down my driveway to greet me with boundless love get me excited. A good book can thrill me beyond any of the hundred DYNASTY scripts I used to read."

Source: http://pamelasuemartin.com/tablet/biography--psm.html
 

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I'm glad the exchange between seasons didn't happen.
 

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It was obvious in the way they wrote Fallon from The Colby's thru to season 8 that the Shapiro's and the Pollock's were resentful toward Emma Samms, just looks at the material they gave her during those years leading up to Season 9, it was like they were writing for what was literally a different character, almost as if they rehashed some of the old scripts written for Kirby.

Heck to put the boot in even more, when they came up with Leslie someone in the top brass said that Leslie would be like PSM's Fallon, and not her own character or even a replacement for Amanda which is what she was, wasn't Emma Samms supposed to be the Fallon at this point??? Why come up with a new character to act like an original character or actress when you still have the character on the series, albeit played by a different actress, it must've been very difficult for ES knowing that she was hindered just because the top brass blatantly preferred her predecessor, and also knowing that viewers felt the same way, its like a twisted version of REBECCA

Aaron Spelling seemed to like her since he hired her to work on Models Inc a few years after Dynasty ended
 

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when they came up with Leslie someone in the top brass said that Leslie would be like PSM's Fallon, … wasn't Emma Samms supposed to be the Fallon at this point???

I believe Emma Samms was hired to portray a Fallon, The Colbys' version -- that of a missing heiress who had amnesia, thought to be from an accident but was (also) found to be suffering mental health problems. (A missing heiress who didn't have a resurrected-from-the-dead backstory on TC, if I recall correctly.)

I'm trusting that the then Mrs Ken Howard got it right when she said her husband was the only character to have 2 separate on-going contracts, one each for The Colbys and Dynasty. (Each for 3 years.). Ie, he didn't have to sign a one-off contract each time he crossed from TC to Dynasty. I'm thinking that if ES was meant to be the replacement actress for a one-and-only (the) Fallon, she'd have been given a single contract that covered her time on both series. Esther Shapiro has said that they required the cast to have separate contracts for each of their special appearances. John James has said that when TC was axed, he didn't have a Dynasty contract and wasn't sure if they were going to give him one; ie, return to the Dynasty series.
 
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Here’s something from Pamela Sue Martin, extracts from her (unpublished?) autobiography The Spirit of the Matter, found in the chapter Last Chance:

  • “Naturally, my quest for solitude did not find me on the party circuit very often. The main reason was because Hollywood parties simply made me nervous. I felt uncomfortable the minute I walked in the door. I spent some time contemplating this dilemma, and it wasn’t until years later, like so many discoveries I would make, I began to see that I was part of the problem.”
  • "Since I am well past the adolescent paranoid stage and have enjoyed these last years hidden away, it might be fun to experience it once again from the other side, who knows? I think I’d be guaranteed a better night if I went bowling, though."
  • "Excitement comes from within my being when I approach life with an open heart. A beautiful day, the breeze rustling the leaves, my dogs running down my driveway to greet me with boundless love get me excited. A good book can thrill me beyond any of the hundred DYNASTY scripts I used to read."
Source: http://pamelasuemartin.com/tablet/biography--psm.html

Then why did she accept scripts then? Didn't she bail on "Nancy Drew" too? I'd assume that after bailing on Dynasty, she'd be blackballed.
 

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My impression of PSM is that she any role she plays in has to be meaningful or worthwhile, she's a good actress who I think could have had a relatively successful career, television or otherwise, I think however by the mid 80s she was bored of acting, she had been acting since the early 70s.

I don't think she would have been typecast as Fallon though had she actively sought out other roles, she was only onscreen as Fallon for little over three years: Jan 1981 to May 1984, compare that to Emma Samms tenure: May 1985 to October 1991, six and half years including the Reunion mini series.
 

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It was obvious in the way they wrote Fallon from The Colby's thru to season 8 that the Shapiro's and the Pollock's were resentful toward Emma Samms
Yes, I'm sure that's the best way to (try to) create a hit-show: to give an actor you don't like the worst storylines possible (ahem).
My impression of PSM is that she any role she plays in has to be meaningful or worthwhile
My impression, based on the quotes posted by Zable, is that leaving Dynasty (or any kind of all-consuming TV work) was her priority. And not necessarily to become a big moviestar.
Well it's not like she got much artistic satisfaction out of her watered-down role as Fallon Carrington (maybe they resented her too!)
 

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Yes, I'm sure that's the best way to (try to) create a hit-show: to give an actor you don't like the worst storylines possible (ahem).
Actually, I'm quite sure that's happened many times, no matter how much it may sound like bad business.

But then Esther Shapiro once called DALLAS' firing Donna Reed to bring back Barbara Bel Geddes "immoral". And far be it for Esther to speak out of both sides of her sidewalk-smashed mouth.

Besides, Aaron supposedly talked Paulsen out of firing Samms to bring back PSM for Season 9.
 

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So...PSM would have returned if Paulsen had been green-lighted to fire ES?
And is this based on a credible source?
Paulsen himself has said that he had seen clips of Samms as Fallon and wasn't impressed and that he was aware that PSM was much preferred by fans. He had an idea to have season 8 end with Jeff getting into bed with Samms' Fallon and waking up in season 9 with PSM again. Then he actually met Samms and realised that she had a great personality that just wasn't coming across on Screen in Dynasty and The Colbys. So he had her Fallon written better.
 

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OK, but none of that has anything to do with what PSM wanted or would have done at that time. Or are we going to assume that she would have been interested and available?
 

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Besides, Aaron supposedly talked Paulsen out of firing Samms to bring back PSM for Season 9.

And rightfully so!
PSM wanted to leave for good because she had that surreal fantasy of becoming the great movie star. She turned her back on the one thing that made her a star (for a while) and it was a stupid decision, but she took it. Glad she never returned and i really grew to love ES as Fallon, wouldn't want it any other way! As of today, i won't even imagine PSM on "The Colbys" or Dynasty S8&9. No, no, no! She just doesn't belong there. Emma does.
 
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