Roe v Wade is gone --- and so here it all begins

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Snarky Oracle said:
Overturning Roe v Wade is prickly enough, obviously, but it was expected.

But Thomas' comments were a declaration of war, and they were intended to be. And the powder-keg era we're in just makes that all the more dangerous -- which is probably on purpose
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Frank Underwood said:
That's how I view abortion as well. I'm pro-choice because I recognize there are special circumstances where abortion is the most humane option. However, there are some pro-choice folks who view abortion in the most cavalier way. And God forbid the father have an opinion on the subject, lest he be shouted down with "My body, my choice!"
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It's a very disturbing issue that seemingly touches on every aspect of the human condition: biology, women's rights, social inequity, personal responsibility, the role of the government, privacy, religion, politics. I have read three comments made by three different people that make sense to me.
Betty Friedman, one of the founders of the National Organization for Women, fought for abortion to be legalized. However, based on what I have read, she seemed to believe it should be rare and wanted factions on both sides of the issue to work together vis-a-vis sex education and making birth control available to make the need for abortion as rare as possible.
Hillary Clinton, when she was in the senate, proposed a bill that would fund education efforts and birth control availability with the goal to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Republicans shot this down, unfortunately.
There is also another woman, whose name I can't recall, who was the head of an abortion rights advocacy group and made an interesting comment. She said the pro choice movement was going too far in pushing for legalized abortions for any reason up until and including the ninth month. The mayor of my city recently advocated for this. Her opinion was that this extreme view of emboldened and provoked the other side. She observed that Europe doesn't have as strong and anti abortion political movement as the United States because most European countries have some restrictions on the procedure. Posters who live in Europe can tell me how true this is.
I believe if we had heeded Betty Friedan back on the 1970s, as well as Clinton, abortion would be legal but also rare. There most likely would be less abortions than when it was completely illegal.
I agree with so many points the pro-choice says, but I find it disturbing because there is a unique life that is lost. It may be an undeveloped life, but still a life.
Both sides could work together to make abortions rare, but the political system is too invested in exploiting issues and creating division and use it to distract from the corruption that exists. That itself is the root of so many problems.
 
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Jimmy Todd said:
It's a very disturbing issue that seemingly touches on every aspect of the human condition: biology, women's rights, social inequity, personal responsibility, the role of the government, privacy, religion, politics. I have read three comments made by three different people that make sense to me.
Betty Friedman, one of the founders of the National Organization for Women, fought for abortion to be legalized. However, based on what I have read, she seemed to believe it should be rare and wanted factions on both sides of the issue to work together vis-a-vis sex education and making birth control available to make the need for abortion as rare as possible.
Hillary Clinton, when she was in the senate, proposed a bill that would fund education efforts and birth control availability with the goal to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Republicans shot this down, unfortunately.
There is also another woman, whose name I can't recall, who was the head of an abortion rights advocacy group and made an interesting comment. She said the pro choice movement was going too far in pushing for legalized abortions for any reason up until and including the ninth month. The mayor of my city recently advocated for this. Her opinion was that this extreme view of emboldened and provoked the other side. She observed that Europe doesn't have as strong and anti abortion political movement as the United States because most European countries have some restrictions on the procedure. Posters who live in Europe can tell me how true this is.
I believe if we had heeded Betty Friedan back on the 1970s, as well as Clinton, abortion would be legal but also rare. There most likely would be less abortions than when it was completely illegal.
I agree with so many points the pro-choice says, but I find it disturbing because there is a unique life that is lost. It may be an undeveloped life, but still a life.
Both sides could work together to make abortions rare, but the political system is too invested in exploiting issues and creating division and use it to distract from the corruption that exists. That itself is the root of so many problems.
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In the USA, like here in the UK, abortion rates have been falling sharply in the last 40 years probably due to better sex education, the greater availability of contraception and rising prosperity. Recently it has begun to rise again as people are finding it more difficult to make ends meet. One of the most effective ways to reduce abortion rates is to have greater redistribution of wealth and other action to eradicate poverty however the right wingers who trying to restrict abortions wouldn't support that.

I think overwhelmingly the decision to have an abortion is a difficult one for most women and no one makes the choice lightly because it is often a traumatic experience.

In the UK abortion is allowed legally up to the 24th week of pregnancy although it is allowed up to birth if the child is known to have severe abnormalities (including Down's Syndrome). Personally, I don't agree with the severe foetal abnormality exemption as it values the lives of disabled people less than those of other people and I would prefer the same limit for all groups.
 
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I can’t get past the fact a group of 9 people have the power to do this.

This will lead to backstreet abortions which could lead to more deaths when it goes wrong. I fear for the mental health of women who are abused or in an abusive relationship where will they end up? More possible suicides.

How many newborns will be dumped in shop doorways or hidden in derelict areas?
 
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Biden signed an executive order that seeks to make a "limited effort" to preserve abortion access.

Do you think this is in response to a pressure campaign from regular citizens, or is it because the elites (particularly female celebrities) have started to turn on him?

A new executive order aims to preserve abortion access, but its reach is limited​


President Biden signed an executive order Friday that takes incremental steps to preserve abortion access — but he underscored that it would take political change to restore the rights removed when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

At least nine states have banned abortion so far — including Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin. A dozen more states are expected to prohibit or restrict the procedure in the coming weeks.

"I'm asking the Justice Department that, much like they did in the Civil Rights era, to do everything in their power to protect these women seeking to invoke their rights," Biden said at the White House on Friday.

The executive order makes a limited effort​

The executive order pledges to ensure the safety of abortion patients and providers, including setting up mobile clinics near the borders of states restricting abortion access. It also seeks to convene private, pro bono lawyers to offer support to people crossing state lines to get an abortion.

Another part of the order directs the secretary of Health and Human Services to issue a report in the next 30 days outlining additional actions to protect medication abortion, expand access on emergency contraception and IUDs, and increase public education around reproductive rights.

The Biden administration is also calling on the Federal Trade Commission — an independent body — to consider taking steps to protect the privacy of people who are looking for information about abortion services.

To help coordinate the administration's policies, the order will create a new task force on reproductive health care.

Additional actions will depend on Congress​

The White House says the executive order builds off the administration's previous steps to protect abortion access. That included providing nearly $3 million in new funding to bolster training and technical assistance for family planning providers as well as offering paid leave for federal workers who need to travel to obtain reproductive health care.

Still, none of the measures have yet addressed demand from some Democratic governors to supply additional abortion care resources in their states, nor have they considered travel assistance for pregnant people who are seeking abortions but live in states that restrict the procedure.

The limited measures come as Biden is under increasing pressure from Democrats to take further steps and consider more ideas on abortion access. In response, Biden has emphasized that Congress needs to codify abortion rights, but that there are not currently enough votes in the Senate to do so.

Source: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/08/1110455155/abortion-rights-biden-executive-order
 
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