"You call this plain clothes…?" (Re)watching Cagney & Lacey

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this episode saw the debut of Chris's gigantic specs. They are huuuuuuuge. She first wore them when dressed as a pineapple so I assumed it was part of her disguise. But then she continued wearing them at home.
Yes, I had the same reaction. It was going to be my big takeaway from the episode until she suddenly confessed to watching Dallas and Knots Landing! ("I've had a lot of time on my hands these days.")

We've discussed the connections between C&L and Knots before but this tops even Harry Fisher.
 

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she suddenly confessed to watching Dallas and Knots Landing! ("I've had a lot of time on my hands these days.")

It's funny... it's only been three years, but I can't remember this confession at all. You'd think it would be significant enough for me to remember it - even vaguely. But nope.
 

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Harv Jr. being in touch with his Grandfather opened that particular wound for Mary Beth giving a multi-layered drama of Mary Beth coping with teen rebellion while at the same time dealing with her father Martin appearing at her home.
Following on the Knots Landing revelation this was an appropriately soapy episode, "Secrets" in fact also being a Knots episode title. Michele Lee would have eaten up those scenes if she had gotten the part.

I was also struck by a directing (or perhaps more likely an editing) tactic of some of those scenes where Mary Beth was seen for a prolonged time with the back of her opposite number (twice Chris, once her father) to camera and no reverse angle of them reacting. Quite unusual.

On a more mundane matter, Jordan's name has now been added permanently to the call list, before it was merely chalked in. And she and Isbecki are gelling unexpectedly well as partners - much to Cagney & Lacey's annoyance.
 

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Following on the Knots Landing revelation this was an appropriately soapy episode, "Secrets" in fact also being a Knots episode title. Michele Lee would have eaten up those scenes if she had gotten the part.

Agreed on all counts.


I was also struck by a directing (or perhaps more likely an editing) tactic of some of those scenes where Mary Beth was seen for a prolonged time with the back of her opposite number (twice Chris, once her father) to camera and no reverse angle of them reacting. Quite unusual.

That's a great spot. It's a while since I watched, but I don't remember noticing this so thanks for pointing it out.
 

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DON'T I KNOW YOU?

the preview at the beginning, I caught a glimpse of Chris kissing a date and another of an angry looking David Keeler.
The preview, I presume intentionally, does mislead the viewer into expecting a much lighter episode.

As a viewer there was never any doubt in my mind about Chris's words. As the episode went on, Chris's perception and even her integrity were questioned by other characters.
It did slowly occur to me that we only had her word, and through that, how difficult proving these cases is.
I'm sure a thesis could be written on the virtues of Chris Cagney, and debates held about whether she's a feminist icon of survival or a put upon victim. And there are strong cases for both. That's not the point here.

The point is that this episode epitomises everything Cagney & Lacey does well. It's a story that needed to be told by these people at this time.
The closing scene, when the light returns to her eyes as she puts two and two together and realises that he's tripped himself up, was wonderful. Although, it is primarily a relationship drama, her police skills should never be discounted. If there's a hall of fame for fictional detectives, Christine Cagney surely deserves a place in it.
 

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OLD FLAMES

Chris reflecting on little rituals she had with Charlie. It all feels very relatable and endearing.
Much more relatable now that we're 30 years older, sad to say.
TRADING PLACES

There's a sub-plot within this sub-plot which has David dropping very unsubtle hints about a future with Chris with talk of setting up a home like the Laceys' and having a backyard and cooking crown roasts. Eventually he resorts to picking up young Alice Christine and taking her over to Chris, which naturally gets Mary Beth marvelling about the pretty family picture while Chris inwardly dies a little.
Just why does Alice Christine have blonde hair? Mary Beth remarks quite unthinkingly that she could be Chris's daughter, and she could.

Samuels is on assignment and Chris - who naturally assumed she would take his office - is put out when Lt. Thornton is put in his place instead,
Thornton is played by James Stephens of The Paper Chase, another of my favourite 80s shows, making it quite impossible for me to dislike him.

Isbecki learns his father was Jewish and had fled Poland posing as a Catholic
Isbecki's reaction was hard to read. It could have been dismay or just surprise. Catholicism is obviously a genuine part of his own life. Perhaps his father actually converted. An ethnic Jew isn't necessarily observant of the faith of Judaism.
 

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SHADOW OF A DOUBT

Another episode; another life-changing event for Isbecki. This time he announces his engagement to Ginger. And then marries her.

HELLO GOODBYE

this episode features another proposal as David Keeler asks Chris to marry him.
I've long suspected that the Australian run of this show finished with a batch of episodes left unseen. I think we may be entering that period now. I'm sure I would have remembered Isbecki getting married and David proposing to Chris. And James Stephens in two episodes as well for that matter.
While we didn't see the wedding, it's a really nice touch to hear that Marcus was best man.
Agreed. Also it saves them the cost of hiring him as a guest star.
the denouement takes place in the Ladies' Room,
With the arrival of Verna, the dynamic of the Ladies' Room has changed. Verna just pops in at one point, which she has every right to do, but it suddenly means that it is no longer their exclusive preserve. I wonder if that will be addressed in a future episode.
 
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SCHOOL DAZE

there's an implication from her response that she values her partnership with Chris even more than that with Harv. There's no dalliance with the idea once she learns which partnership is under threat.

There aren't many TV shows that would go to this effort to round off the story for a character that has appeared in only three previous episodes.

LAND OF THE FREE

Michael wanting to move into Harv Jr.'s room, which forces Mary Beth to start to accept that her eldest son has really left home for good.
I wondered at the naming of the final DVD season as "Winding Down" because I had assumed that the third cancellation was as unwelcome as the first two but there is a sense of things drawing to an end as various ongoing plot threads are brought to closure.
The chemistry between these two is excellent. Nick feels like a real match for Chris in a number of ways. Also of interest here: while David Keeler doesn't appear at all, this episode was directed by Stephen Macht. So in a way it feels like that torch is being passed (Chris would hate me putting it that way, I'm sure).
In a way, Stephen Macht directing is another link with Knots Landing, paralleling John Pleshette's and Joan van Ark's directorial returns after leaving as actors. And that's in addition to the more obvious facts that Macht is a Knots alumnus and "Land of the Free" is also a Knots title - although I'm sure it's one that's been used by many others as well.
 

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A CLASS ACT
Although the word "class" has a different connotation here, it still sounds like a continuation of "School Daze"
Chris makes her amends by going out for pizza with Nick and presenting him with tickets to a Rangers game after returning the shirt. It's a nice moment that reminds the viewer that these two have a lot in common. Which could bode well for their relationship.
I honestly can't remember whether I've seen these episodes before or not but there aren't many to go so I don't know how much further the relationship can go.

BUTTON, BUTTON
I knew it was some kind of game but I thought there was also some Cold War reference there.
AIDS is the hot topic of conversation pervading both characters' personal stories.
Like the apartheid episode, this is a rare one that now feels dated - in a good way.
The procedural had them trying to find someone in the Witness Protection Programme to prevent a hit (someone else had already been killed). It didn't engage me all that much until it got to the end and had a really nice twist that the woman helping them was actually the killer and was out to kill the person Chris and Mary Beth were trying to protect.
And Chris remarks that you never think of the woman. After all they've been through breaking down barriers over the past six years it's still true.
 
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With the forum being down I have some catching up to do.

Once again, there was a nice little twist to the story: Marrin actually had been coming at Thornton.
It occurred to me that, as with Christine's rape, we didn't actually see the shooting. The difference was that, while with Christine as viewers we were conditioned to believe her, Thornton's previous appearances conditioned us to assume his incompetence. As you said, a twist.

FRIENDLY FIRE
The term "friendly fire" is not an unfamiliar one but, strangely, Barney twice calls it Friendly Smoke in his notes on the DVD cover.
Harv finds her on the rooftop of their old apartment block - a really nice little touch.
For some reason this and the next episode were freezing and skipping rather badly (despite there being no sign of damage to the disc) so I must have been too distracted to notice that. It should have been obvious that it wasn't the roof of a house.


This episode title has intrigued me for a while. I'd assumed it had to do with someone agreeing to something - as in an alternative term for "yes" - but I was wrong. It's related to the main plot concerning that most Eighties of commodities: the yuppie.
Same for me. The original term was Young Upwardly-mobile Professional but I've never heard it called YUP, always yuppie.

A FAIR SHAKE - Parts I and II

Isbecki was conspicuous by his absence in these episodes. He got a name check in Part II, and that was about it. That's a shame, with him being one of the longest-serving members of the cast. I've also enjoyed his series of awkward questions to Mary Beth since marrying Ginger. I'd secretly hoped we might somehow get to see Petrie too, and that didn't happen either. Both these absences highlighted how ineffectual most of the newer members have been. Esposito and Verna Dee in particular both feel like glorified extras. Neither has had a scene that has resonated with me in any way. Corassa has been quite an interesting watch, I've enjoyed how unpleasant he can be at times.
I like the way that we saw Esposito and Corassa step up as a working team in a couple of episodes. Pity that Isbecki and Jordan didn't receive the same treatment. I noticed that Samuels told Cagney to turn her second whip duties over to Corassa for the duration, which gives an indication of his seniority. I still wonder who was second whip before Christine's promotion; I'm sure they never mentioned the position before that.
After half a season of winding things down and neatly wrapping stories up, A Fair Shake goes on its own trajectory, starting a new storyline from scratch and taking its time to add layers over the course of the episodes.
Yes, it's not really a season finale at all. Almost like a standalone movie. According to the air dates, it was originally shown on night so I broke my usual rule and watched it that way ...
The final scene was notable for feeling so ordinary. The stakes may have been a little higher, but the ending felt so familiar that there was a sense that this wasn't really the end. Life would go on for these two - we just won't get to watch it any more.
Again a Knots Landing parallel. But there's also something of the cliffhanger regarding the choice they will make so - like Dallas - I'm not sure they were necessarily planning on not coming back
 

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ith the forum being down I have some catching up to do.

Great to see you've still been enjoying C&L while we've been down.


The term "friendly fire" is not an unfamiliar one but, strangely, Barney twice calls it Friendly Smoke in his notes on the DVD cover.

Well spotted. I don't think I'd noticed this.


For some reason this and the next episode were freezing and skipping rather badly

Oh boo. Disc corruption is a nightmare. And especially hard to spot when it's towards the end of big box-sets like this.


I've never heard it called YUP, always yuppie.

Same here.

According to the air dates, it was originally shown on night so I broke my usual rule and watched it that way ...

It's been a while, but I think that was also my rationale.



And you've finished the series!!!!! That's really crept up on us.

I've so enjoyed reading your thoughts as you've watched. Do you plan to watch the reunion films?
 

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Do you plan to watch the reunion films?
Indeed, yes. I've seen them relatively recently via the original 4-disc boxed set but it will be a pleasure to rewatch with the memory of the series now fresh.
Reunion Movies - The Menopause Years
It's seems weird to be going back to the Lost Episodes set for them, with Loretta Swit and Meg Foster on the cover.
THE RETURN
Avoiding the more obvious The Return of Cagney & Lacey.
Chris (now Chris Cagney-Burton) as the big-haired wife of a politician? Now that was a shock. I really like James Naughton as Chris's husband, James. The chemistry is good and I believe these two as a couple.
James Naughton will always be astronaut Pete Burke from the Planet of the Apes TV series to me. I like him but I didn't find them especially compatible. Marriage seems an unnatural state for Chris and it already seems shaky. There is certainly none of the joy she exhibits when reunited with Lacey in the driving scenes. No mention of what happened to Nick either.
all those familiar faces from the series: Samuels, Isbecki. Even Esposito and Verna Dee. And Petrie is back too. This makes up for his non-appearance in the finale.
And Corassa, too. it's almost lost in the throwaway party talk but it seems that Verna Dee is now in charge of the squad. Didn't see that one coming.

I watched Barney's accompanying interview as well. His comments about the collaboration between Barbaras Avedon and Corday reminds me of what I've read about how Mel Brooks and Buck Henry worked together on Get Smart - not that Brooks had mental health issues but it seems that his inspiration was often scattershot and it was up to Henry to make something coherent out of it.
 

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It's seems weird to be going back to the Lost Episodes set for them, with Loretta Swit and Meg Foster on the cover.

Yes. There's been a whole lot of water under the bridge since then.


Avoiding the more obvious The Return of Cagney & Lacey.

Or The New Adventures Of Cagney & Lacey.


I like him but I didn't find them especially compatible. Marriage seems an unnatural state for Chris

Agreed. I think that was by design. It felt right that it felt wrong. If that makes any sense.
 

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TOGETHER AGAIN

I was expecting each of the four movies to avoid all but the loosest of continuity so they could play independently (and six months apart, as originally broadcast). Instead, this builds on the groundwork laid in The Return.
Only the first two were broadcast here - and closer together that six months. They had the air of a four-hour miniseries. Rewatching now, I realise that this one also sows the seeds for what's coming next.
Chris's marriage took a far more soapy turn when she made a surprise visit to James's hotel suite in Washington and found him in bed with another woman. I had a problem with this scene. While I completely believed it could and did happen it's just too familiar a scenario. Watch a few episodes of any soap opera and you'll see this scene played out in exactly the same way by different actors. It's the a prime example of an important aspect of the series that doesn't seem as important in the movies: the "tell, don't show" rule. As a viewer, I trust Chris by now. I didn't need to see it to believe it.
I think the scene was worthwhile to see Chris's reaction to the other woman. There was no real surprise. I might have imagined it but I thought I detected relief. Relief that she had an excuse to end what already wasn't working for her.
I don't know at what point I remembered that Chris is an alcoholic. Probably when I saw the look of concern on Mary Beth's face. Again, I had a physical reaction to it. I actually gasped. Initially I wondered if Chris had taken the sip by accident,
At first I had assumed that the drink was non-alcoholic. It took that look on Mary Beth's face to convey that it wasn't.
Mary Beth relapsing into smoking cigarettes and essentially choosing to damage herself just as Harvey is with butter and chicken skin was an interesting choice too.
all three have serious battles on their hands,
Nice observation. I hadn't put all that together.
I particularly enjoyed how unfinished and unclean the personal stories felt at the end. That took some courage for a TV movie when the next airing was still half a year away.
Is it recorded anywhere whether they had a firm order for the four?
 

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Only the first two were broadcast here - and closer together that six months.

They completely passed me by if and when they were first broadcast in the UK.


I think the scene was worthwhile to see Chris's reaction to the other woman. There was no real surprise. I might have imagined it but I thought I detected relief. Relief that she had an excuse to end what already wasn't working for her.

That's interesting. And you're right. While the direction and setup may have felt a little too generic compared with what I'd expect from this series, there is always much to be found in the performances.


Is it recorded anywhere whether they had a firm order for the four?

I did some reading when I was watching, but it's been a few years and my memory is hopeless. If I know I can't remember.
 

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THE VIEW THROUGH THE GLASS CEILING

Any Cagney & Lacey vehicle that shows Chris's ambition at its ugliest is a winner. Her mantra this episode was that she was playing the politics game and she really did.
At some point Chris's ambition appears to have changed. I'd have to rewatch to be certain but I'm pretty sure that originally she said she wanted to be the first woman chief of police. At some point this changed to commissioner. The difference as I understand it is that chief is the highest rank in the force whereas commissioner is a political appointment. (Think Gordon and O'Hara in Batman.)
young officer Angela Lum,
Although I've seen this before, I didn't remember the very young Sandra Oh in this role. In hindsight it's wonderful to see Gless and Daly acting opposite someone who has in a sense become their spiritual heir.
I saw the boom mic more times in the last couple of movies than I did in the entire run of the series.
Really? I didn't notice.
I'm glad to see the "tell, don't show" policy is back and working well. Through snippets of dialogue, we learn that her drink of champagne in the previous instalment lead to a relapse from which she has managed to recover.
That's one reason I'm not sure the six-monthly format was entirely working. As Tyne says in the accompanying interview, the first one was good in that it caught us up on what was happening in their lives. But I don't think that works as a regular formula. Unlike weekly episodes, they're too far apart to flow directly into one another but too close together for their lives to have changed markedly in between. On the other hand, completely self-contained, probably mostly procedural, stories would not have been worthy of the characters.
 

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At some point Chris's ambition appears to have changed. I'd have to rewatch to be certain but I'm pretty sure that originally she said she wanted to be the first woman chief of police. At some point this changed to commissioner.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. I like to think there was a story there, in between the series and the films. A journey for Chris. With so many episodes having focussed on her ambition I can almost imagine it playing out.


Unlike weekly episodes, they're too far apart to flow directly into one another but too close together for their lives to have changed markedly in between. On the other hand, completely self-contained, probably mostly procedural, stories would not have been worthy of the characters.

The nature of them means that the pacing felt different from what we've been used to, and I agree it didn't work as well as the series. But I also thought it was in some small way pioneering to try a serialised format with these spaces in between.
 

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. I like to think there was a story there, in between the series and the films.
In her interview, Tyne Daly expresses regret that there was no proper series finale. She says that they all knew that it was the final season but Barney couldn't accept it. I've been thinking that a novel tying up that cliffhanger and explaining how Chris came to be working for the DA would be something I'd like to read.
TRUE CONVICTIONS

I think there were plans at one point for a Columbo-style series of monthly 90-minute instalments but I agree - the first two movies were more self-contained. The last two leave us with a more open ending which is less satisfying. I still think it's not too late for one more visit focussing on their retirement and maybe a glimpse of Alice now in the force.
I'm going to contradict myself here. On reviewing, the first two movies and to an extent the third form a continuous thread. The last now seems the most self-contained - perhaps giving an idea of what an ongoing movie series might have looked like. Apart from an early reference to a maturing joint investment being the last vestige of Chris's marriage, there is no baggage from the past or portent of the future. Even though it's not intended as a finale, I found it an oddly pleasing ending. We're left with the picture of them still plugging away, knowing they'll keep making mistakes but they'll keep backing each other up. And that goes for Chris and Mary Beth, and for Mary Beth and Harvey as well. But I'd still like to see that one last revisit.
 

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Thanks for posting. Sharon Gless looks well doesn't she?

It was nice how fondly Martin Kove remembers the show. I'll always remember that beefy torso from the opening credits...
 
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