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Miss Ellie's Sack Dresses

LMLDallas78

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Miss Ellie didn't always wear those sack dresses especially in the earlier days. Barbara still wore them when she was a bit trimmer.
Maybe age, weight and preference all played a part. Perhaps she wasn't into more fussy fancy clothing unless the occasion called for it.

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southfork88

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I believe that behind this choice by Barbara Bel Geddes there is above all the mastectomy she underwent in real life.

Unfortunately, many years ago, surgical operations of this type were physically and psychologically devastating. One arm remained more swollen than the other and the prosthetics had nothing of natural.

In addition to the baggy dresses and loose shirts, Barbara tended to keep her forearms raised to often cover her chest. She often held her glasses in her hands raised at 90 degrees, or she raised an arm to tuck her hair behind her ear.

All these actions were the same as what one of my bis-grandmother did (she was actually my grandmother's sister) born exactly the same year and month as Barbara Bel Geddes. She too had been battling breast cancer and she too wore baggy clothes and kept her forearms raised.
 
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Snarky Oracle!

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Unfortunately, many years ago, surgical operations of this type were physically and psychologically devastating. One arm remained more swollen than the other and the prosthetics had nothing of natural.

Even sadder, most "radical" mastectomies were entirely unnecessary. Asit turned out, a mere lumpectomy would have done.

BBG did look frumpy. She put zero effort into how she dressed. Her style was lazy at best. She lived on a ranch but didn't work it. All the other women that lived on the same ranch had the decency to wear anything other than what amounted to a sleeping gown (Sue Ellen, Lucy, Pam, Jenna). Her style didn't even match those of either of her husband's. May she rest in peace but her style was lazy, unflattering and down right unattractive .

Oh, she put effort into how she dressed: she had a couturière, Jean Louis, who designed those sack dresses.
 

Jock Ewing Fan

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And somehow, Clayton went from Sue Ellen and her stylish presence to a frumpy matriarch.
That was unbelievable, right there, since Clayton could presumably afford a trophy wife.

Maybe JR was right, calling Clayton a jealous suitor, who first pursued his Wife then his Mother.

But seriously, a wealthy Texas wife would dress more fashionably, if only because she was frequently
in the company of other wealthy Texas wives who would certainly have comments
 

Frank Underwood

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I always appreciated the fact that Miss Ellie didn't feel the need to keep up with the Jones's. She grew up in the depression and retained a down to earth style.

Both Jock and Clayton seemed like they appreciated qualities in women other than whether or not they'd make a suitable "trophy wife." That was more JR's thing.
 

Mustard

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And somehow, Clayton went from Sue Ellen and her stylish presence to a frumpy matriarch.
That was unbelievable, right there, since Clayton could presumably afford a trophy wife.

Maybe JR was right, calling Clayton a jealous suitor, who first pursued his Wife then his Mother.

But seriously, a wealthy Texas wife would dress more fashionably, if only because she was frequently
in the company of other wealthy Texas wives who would certainly have comments
Miss Ellie's Southworth roots in the land mean that she is mentally far more secure in her privileged status than big oilmen are. She is a rancher's daughter first, and that never changed. Miss Ellie's marriage to Jock was a compromise and alliance between Southworth and Ewing outlooks, which still sometimes conflicted. This dynamic gave Dallas a certain fire within the Ewing family. We all saw what happened when Donna Reed played Miss Ellie as the typical oil baron's wife, i.e. it took the conflict out of the Ewing family dynamic, resulting in a strange lack of emotion in Reed's performance most of the time.
 

LMLDallas78

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That was more JR's thing.
I have wondered where JR got his abusive behaviour from. Jock told JR that "if anyone said anything bad about Miss Ellie, I'd have killed them" (paternity suit) All JR replied was "Oh Daddy". But then Sue Ellen was guilty here of her affair with Cliff Barnes.

Jock's attitude towards women wasn't always great but he did love Miss Ellie and she knew Jock loved her.

We don't know of JR's behaviour before he married Sue Ellen, but then she was a trophy wife. Maybe JR should've chosen a wife more like his own Mother in order to treat a wife of his better.

Maybe JR was right,
He was right. He called Clayton a jilted suitor, in love with his wife and courting his Mother.

I always felt as though Miss Ellie should have felt second best. When Clayton was honest about Sue Ellen and how he felt, Miss Ellie just accepted it and it was soon forgotten about.
 

Kaleid

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He was right. He called Clayton a jilted suitor, in love with his wife and courting his Mother.

I always felt as though Miss Ellie should have felt second best. When Clayton was honest about Sue Ellen and how he felt, Miss Ellie just accepted it and it was soon forgotten about.
Perhaps Miss Ellie realized that, as dramatic as Clayton was about his feelings for Sue Ellen, it was really more of a hopeless puppy dog fantasy crush, as opposed to him being head over heels in love with her. He certainly had his opportunities if he was seriously going to act on his feelings for Sue Ellen and he never did. When it came down to it, he chose a total package of style and substance and Miss Ellie knew that his feelings and intentions toward her were genuine in a way they weren't for Sue Ellen.
 

Mustard

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I have wondered where JR got his abusive behaviour from. Jock told JR that "if anyone said anything bad about Miss Ellie, I'd have killed them" (paternity suit) All JR replied was "Oh Daddy". But then Sue Ellen was guilty here of her affair with Cliff Barnes.
It's pretty obvious where J.R. got his bad side from. The ruthless business of Ewing Oil was everything to J.R. and he never found any similar satisfaction away from that, beyond the chase after a woman (which in itself was its own competition). Jock's upbringing was a very different one to J.R.'s, i.e. Jock had a working class upbringing and he became rich during the early oil wildcatters in Texas. J.R. was out in the oil fields as a small child with his dad.

We don't know of JR's behaviour before he married Sue Ellen, but then she was a trophy wife. Maybe JR should've chosen a wife more like his own Mother in order to treat a wife of his better.
Could J.R. have coped with someone like Miss Ellie, Pam or Donna as his wife? I doubt it. It might have been the making of him, on the other hand, if it could work somehow. He treated Sue Ellen bad most of the time, made worse by the fact that she was brought up to expect love from a husband, but J.R.'s treatment of Sue Ellen just made her cynical and resentful.

He was right. He called Clayton a jilted suitor, in love with his wife and courting his Mother.

I always felt as though Miss Ellie should have felt second best. When Clayton was honest about Sue Ellen and how he felt, Miss Ellie just accepted it and it was soon forgotten about.
Sue Ellen didn't want Clayton that way. That's it. They have to get on with their lives.
 

DallasFanForever

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Sue Ellen didn't want Clayton that way. That's it. They have to get on with their lives.
I always found it a little odd that Clayton was going to propose to Sue Ellen so quickly. They really hadn’t spent much time together other than when she lived at the Southern Cross and him frequenting her condo. They certainly hadn’t been intimate either. I did like them together and I actually thought they would’ve made a nice couple but Clayton buying that ring really felt premature, even knowing how he thought he felt about her.
 

LMLDallas78

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Perhaps Miss Ellie realized that, as dramatic as Clayton was about his feelings for Sue Ellen, it was really more of a hopeless puppy dog fantasy crush, as opposed to him being head over heels in love with her. He certainly had his opportunities if he was seriously going to act on his feelings for Sue Ellen and he never did. When it came down to it, he chose a total package of style and substance and Miss Ellie knew that his feelings and intentions toward her were genuine in a way they weren't for Sue Ellen.
I'm not sure about the hopeless puppy dog bit, Clayton saw Sue Ellen as a daughter which he didn't have and she saw him as a Father figure. Then those lines got blurred because Clayton was a lonely soul and thought Sue Ellen was the same. It took Afton and JR to reinforce to Clayton how he felt which were genuine albeit confused feelings.

He never acted on those opportunities because he was a gent and tried to work out his feelings and was then made to feel as though it was wrong and dirty. JR called him a fraud and accused him of wanting Sue Ellen for himself and not for his son (as we thought then). Clayton ran away to think things over and told Sue Ellen this. They did share a lingering look which was clever in getting the audience to wonder if they would kiss and what feelings they really did have for each other.


he never found any similar satisfaction away from that, beyond the chase after a woman
I guess that relationship with Ewing Oil stemmed from wanting to make Jock proud and the desire to be more ruthless than Jock in business because he was allowed that free reign and Jock approved of most of his bad behaviour. It's a shame Miss Ellie and Jock didn't ever step in before to try and stop JR's abusive behaviour. Miss Ellie did a couple of times, but Jock only tried once Sue Ellen was providing a grandchild and then it was because Miss Ellie said he should.

Why couldn't JR learn from his parents about a loving marriage, why did he view Sue Ellen as his property and feel it was his right to lie and sleep around and yet expect her to stay faithful to him?



Could J.R. have coped with someone like Miss Ellie, Pam or Donna as his wife? I doubt it.
I agree. However dysfunctional and toxic they were, Sue Ellen loved JR and that love was her weakness. She did manage to stand up to him numerous times and could also give as good as she got. She kept him on his toes and was the only one he could really confide in.


made worse by the fact that she was brought up to expect love from a husband,
Actually she was brought up to accept love didn't have to come with the wealth and position provided from a suitable husband. Status even without love was more important to Momma Sheperd and this was passed on to her daughters. Sue Ellen accepted this until Bobby brought Pam home then she realised what real love was and what was missing from her own marriage.


Sue Ellen didn't want Clayton that way. That's it.
Maybe she would have without the reappearance of Cliff and interference from JR. She may have turned to him more and more and then developed feelings for him. She was relieved though when Clayton denied having feelings for her. He said he loved her but in a different way than anyone else would. Of course later a drunk Sue Ellen would throw herself at him, maybe that was HER real feelings coming out this time?


I always found it a little odd that Clayton was going to propose to Sue Ellen so quickly.
For him maybe it wasn't quick, he'd had time to come to terms with how he felt and maybe wanted to risk taking the chance. I was so sad when he didn't go through with it as soon as he heard she was back with JR. I was so cross with him.
Those two together even for a short time would have provided some great drama although probably frowned upon by viewers. Miss Ellie with Frank or Wes as Wes would've been nice.


Going back to sack dresses, Miss Ellie always looked knockout for special occasions. It's a shame we never got to see her and Jock at an Oil Barons Ball together.
 

Toni

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It was all Afton's fault, as usual. She thought that her Biloxi plots could work in Dallas. The nerve...
 

Toni

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This is the pic she put in The Biloxi Press when she started looking for a job... as a cleaning lady!

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"If you hire me, I´ll steal away your heart.
I can also sweep, wash and give you a message with these hands here!
Can see through people too."
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PD: This message strictly refers to the fictional character of Afton Cooper. Miss Landers is a true act of class and she still greets me back every year for Christmas... and liked my little video!


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Toni

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This is the pic she put in The Biloxi Press when she started looking for a job... as a cleaning lady!

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"If you hire me, I´ll steal away your heart.
I can also sweep, wash and give you a message with these hands here!
Can see through people too."
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PD: This message strictly refers to the fictional character of Afton Cooper. Miss Landers is a true act of class and she still greets me back every year for Christmas... and liked my little video!


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Correction: What sweet little Afton wrote for her ad was "massage" (just in case the cleaning part didn´t work...).
 
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