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Dallas Couples Bobby & Pam - Appreciation thread

DallasFanForever

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I just liked Cally better, J.R. didn't deserve her.
Cally was one of those characters that grew on me as time passed, just like April did kind of. I never thought about a Bobby-Cally relationship to be honest since she was already married to JR but I did like the chemistry between them. They did seem to get along pretty well. I like how he would defend her.
 

Karin

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I haven’t seen this scene in awhile so I’m going by memory here but I remember him confronting her about it and her saying she stood by what she did. And then he tells her he understood why she did it so I don’t think he was mad, was he?

I can't remember. I looked through some scenes I have captured on my computer to try to find it. But I didn't. I stumbled across another scene instead though. It was Pam telling Bobby "I would probably run away if I could. But I need you too much!" Is it just me or does that sound like a plantation for things to come? o_O

I mean Pam did run away after her car crash! Or didn't she?

Could it be that she was actually kidnapped by Katherine?

I just liked Cally better, J.R. didn't deserve her.

I agree with you. He didn't deserve her. I think you might like the idea of him and Bobby because Christopher told Cally that he wished she was his new mommy instead of John Ross'.

I think I might have prefered a Cally/James pairing though like in @Toni s fanfic Ewing Empire.
Even though I did love James & Michelle too! :)

Yes you can tell I started watching the show towards the end since I just said that.
 

ChrisEwing2003

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I agree with you. He didn't deserve her. I think you might like the idea of him and Bobby because Christopher told Cally that he wished she was his new mommy instead of John Ross'.

I think I might have prefered a Cally/James pairing though like in @Toni s fanfic Ewing Empire.
Even though I did love James & Michelle too! :)

Yes you can tell I started watching the show towards the end since I just said that.
Yes I did like the fact that Cally acted more like a mother and you really don't see April do anything motherly. To be fair thought I don't remember alot of scenes of Christopher and April ever really doing anything together. Where we do see Cally take care of Christopher while he has a cold, but I don't think Bobby and April had rekindled their romance at the time.
 
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DallasFanForever

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I stumbled across another scene instead though. It was Pam telling Bobby "I would probably run away if I could. But I need you too much!" Is it just me or does that sound like a plantation for things to come? o_O
I had forgotten all about that scene but I do remember it now. Kind of telling, huh?
I wonder if they knew at this point how they were writing her out or was that tanker scene just thrown together at the last minute?

I mean Pam did run away after her car crash! Or didn't she?

Could it be that she was actually kidnapped by Katherine?

I guess it’s always been left to the imagination. I’d like to think Katherine kidnapped her, which means she didn’t run away. I mean why else would Katherine show up to the hospital? She didn’t exactly have a history of showing up to hospitals with good intentions.
 

Piggyrella Sanderson

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I can't remember. I looked through some scenes I have captured on my computer to try to find it. But I didn't. I stumbled across another scene instead though. It was Pam telling Bobby "I would probably run away if I could. But I need you too much!" Is it just me or does that sound like a plantation for things to come? o_O

I mean Pam did run away after her car crash! Or didn't she?

Could it be that she was actually kidnapped by Katherine?



I agree with you. He didn't deserve her. I think you might like the idea of him and Bobby because Christopher told Cally that he wished she was his new mommy instead of John Ross'.

I think I might have prefered a Cally/James pairing though like in @Toni s fanfic Ewing Empire.
Even though I did love James & Michelle too! :)

Yes you can tell I started watching the show towards the end since I just said that.

I´m re-watching Season 12 (13) at this moment, and the chemistry between James and Cally is clearly there, and as soon as she tells somebody how kind James is, they immediately suspect of them (JR, April, Lucy...). I think they intended to do something like that, but they changed it at the last minute (nothing new here). Maybe it was because Cathy Podewell got pregnant? I wonder...
 

DallasFanForever

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. To be fair thought I don't remember alot of scenes of Christopher and April ever really doing anything together.
I can’t recall a scene of April being motherly with Christopher to be honest, whereas with Pam and Christopher there were so many. I think that might’ve been part of the problem with April and Bobby. Maybe it wasn’t just the fact that she wasn’t Pam, I think it was also the fact that maybe people couldn’t buy her as Christopher’s stepmother. She just wasn’t the motherly type. And Pam was that, which again makes it all the harder for me to believe that she would abandon Christopher the way she did.
 

Rove

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which again makes it all the harder for me to believe that she would abandon Christopher the way she did.
Strange how the writers didn't even understand their own characters. Putting aside Victoria had given notice her intention of leaving Dallas you would think the writers would create some finality to the character of Pam simply because she would never have abandoned Christopher. We all took Pam, Bobby and Christopher's journey. With hindsight it would have been best if Pam had died in that fiery crash.
 

DallasFanForever

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@DallasFanForever, I hate the mummy Pam storyline with a passion. :( I would have written Bobby,Pam, and Christopher off of the show as a family at the end of season 9 with Pam pregnant and sent them to Knots Landing to live off screen near Gary and Val versus the mess that we ended up with. :) :(
You know, I like this idea. It would’ve been sad to see them leave the show but at least they would’ve been able to leave together as a family. I would’ve taken it over what we ended up getting if it were possible.
 

DallasFanForever

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I was just watching the episode where Pam leaves Southfork with Christopher after her mother’s death. It’s such a sad thing to see them separate like that. Did any of you feel Pam was justified in blaming Bobby and the fight for Ewing Oil for her mother’s death or did you not see it that way and felt perhaps it was Rebecca’s own fault for getting involved in the fight?
 

ChrisEwing2003

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I was just watching the episode where Pam leaves Southfork with Christopher after her mother’s death. It’s such a sad thing to see them separate like that. Did any of you feel Pam was justified in blaming Bobby and the fight for Ewing Oil for her mother’s death or did you not see it that way and felt perhaps it was Rebecca’s own fault for getting involved in the fight?
Pam was a massive hypocrite during the fight for Ewing Oil. She always stood up for Cliff when he was the one that started most of the trouble. Also after Rebecca passed away, she kept looking after Cliff cause Rebecca asked her to in the will if I remember correctly. What was wrong with Bobby doing the same thing? Bobby was also trying to make sure that Christopher got his fair share of the company as well. J.R. would have never stopped at just having 51 percent, he would have wanted 100 percent.
 

Mrs Bobby James Ewing

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I love Bobby&Pam as a couple. I hate that they broke up during the fight for control Ewing Oil but I can personally understand why Pam walked out on Bobby and took their son with her. She loved Bobby very deeply but she just didn’t like the fight for control of Ewing Oil or the Barnes Ewing feud which she both felt caused her mother’s death.
 

DallasFanForever

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Pam was a massive hypocrite during the fight for Ewing Oil. She always stood up for Cliff when he was the one that started most of the trouble. Also after Rebecca passed away, she kept looking after Cliff cause Rebecca asked her to in the will if I remember correctly. What was wrong with Bobby doing the same thing? Bobby was also trying to make sure that Christopher got his fair share of the company as well. J.R. would have never stopped at just having 51 percent, he would have wanted 100 percent.
I think the biggest problem for Pam was what the fight did to Bobby. It changed him to the point that it was turning him into what she hated the most; his brother. And I think ur right that she did have a blind spot sometimes when it came to Cliff, as Bobby pointed out to her more than once.

I love Bobby&Pam as a couple. I hate that they broke up during the fight for control Ewing Oil but I can personally understand why Pam walked out on Bobby and took their son with her. She loved Bobby very deeply but she just didn’t like the fight for control of Ewing Oil or the Barnes Ewing feud which she both felt caused her mother’s death.
I understand why she left as well. I probably would’ve done the same thing at that point. If she felt the contest and feud caused Rebecca’s death than there was no way she could keep living there.
 

Karin

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I had forgotten all about that scene but I do remember it now. Kind of telling, huh?
I wonder if they knew at this point how they were writing her out or was that tanker scene just thrown together at the last minute?

I always thought it was a last minute decision after their negotiations with VP fell through. But watching that scene made me think that it might have been planned longer than we think.

I guess it’s always been left to the imagination. I’d like to think Katherine kidnapped her, which means she didn’t run away. I mean why else would Katherine show up to the hospital?

Yeah they did leave it vague. I do find it very suspicious that Katherine showed up before Pam left the hospital so suddenly and only sent a note to Bobby asking him not to look for her if he loved her. It does resemble the last fake letter she read for Bobby that caused their first divorce. So I think there was definitely room to have had Katherine kidnap Pam and it's sort of a shame they didn't go down that route on the show. It would have been easy to bring Pam back if they'd used that explaination.

I´m re-watching Season 12 (13) at this moment, and the chemistry between James and Cally is clearly there, and as soon as she tells somebody how kind James is, they immediately suspect of them (JR, April, Lucy...). I think they intended to do something like that, but they changed it at the last minute (nothing new here). Maybe it was because Cathy Podewell got pregnant?

Good observation. Maybe that played a part since it's possible Cathy wanted out of the show like Sheree did after she got pregnant. Or maybe it had nothing to do with that and they simply decided to bring in a new love interest for James instead of pairing him up with Cally. I think bringing in Michelle for James makes sense because that way they gave April a sister and it also made James more likable than if he'd stolen his father's wife. If you see what I mean?

I can’t recall a scene of April being motherly with Christopher to be honest, whereas with Pam and Christopher there were so many. I think that might’ve been part of the problem with April and Bobby.

I can remember two. One scene April and Bobby took Christopher and a girl on a double date to the roller skating court.
Another scene where Bobby and April were announcing their engagment Christopher is sitting in April's lap and is all happy he is getting a new mommy.

Strange how the writers didn't even understand their own characters. Putting aside Victoria had given notice her intention of leaving Dallas you would think the writers would create some finality to the character of Pam simply because she would never have abandoned Christopher. We all took Pam, Bobby and Christopher's journey. With hindsight it would have been best if Pam had died in that fiery crash.

Or it would have made more sense for Pam to leave Southfork and take Christopher with her as she left. She has done that before.
But I agree that it made no sense for Pam to abandon her son.

I'm glad they didn't kill Pam off though, as it makes it possible to bring her back in fanfics.

But yes I would also prefer Bobby, Pam and Christopher to have left Southfork together. Even though a part of me is starting to wonder if Bobby and Pam were meant to be a tragic lovestory without a happy ending. After all they were modelled after Romeo and Juliet. So which one do you prefer a happy ending for Bobby and Pam or a tragic one?

I think I would have prefered the happy ending. But then again I am a sucker for those!

I was just watching the episode where Pam leaves Southfork with Christopher after her mother’s death. It’s such a sad thing to see them separate like that. Did any of you feel Pam was justified in blaming Bobby and the fight for Ewing Oil for her mother’s death or did you not see it that way and felt perhaps it was Rebecca’s own fault for getting involved in the fight?

Interesting question. I remember thinking Pam was stupid to leave Bobby and take Christopher with her. He understood she needed to get away from Southfork and he offered to come with her and support her. But she rejected him. She wanted to be alone. I get that Pam was in grief and she wasn't thinking to clearly at that point. But yes her moving out and not letting Bobby come with them was harsh. It was basically all Pam's decision of getting a divorce at first. She left Bobby and she filed for the divorce. He had no say in any of it and was just trying to win her back until Katherine's letter made him realize that it was better if he let her go...

It's ironic though since if he hadn't given up on them after the letter he would have had Pam and Christopher back at Southfork a lot sooner and the divorce would never have happened. Yes I know their divorced is set up in a way that is meant to make us root for that Bobby and Pam should get back together since they never wanted to get divorce and never would have if JR and Katherine hadn't meddled. But at the same time Pam choose to leave Bobby and that was before JR and Katherine started to meddle.

Pam was a massive hypocrite during the fight for Ewing Oil. She always stood up for Cliff when he was the one that started most of the trouble. Also after Rebecca passed away, she kept looking after Cliff cause Rebecca asked her to in the will if I remember correctly. What was wrong with Bobby doing the same thing? Bobby was also trying to make sure that Christopher got his fair share of the company as well. J.R. would have never stopped at just having 51 percent, he would have wanted 100 percent.

I agree with you. Pam was blind when it came to Cliff's faults. She thought her older brother could do no wrong. It took her until her final season to realize that Cliff and JR were both responsible for carrying on their father's feud and wanting no part of it. So she bowed out of the company. Maybe she wouldn't have if she wasn't leaving the show. Or what do you think?

I also think it's intersting how Cliff made peace with Miss Ellie and Bobby offered Cliff to work with him after Pam left. It was like the writers were telling us that without Pam and Bobby to be stuck in the middle of the fued, there was no point of carrying on the Ewing-Barnes feud so the only way they could keep Cliff tied to the Ewings was for him to make peace with them.
 

Rove

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So which one do you prefer a happy ending for Bobby and Pam or a tragic one?
Since Victoria had decided to leave Dallas - and I'm against recasts - it would have been best if she had died in the crash. There is something satisfying about Bobby and Pam not getting their happy ending. The moment Bobby arrived home with that Barnes woman there was an air of - something's going to happen - surrounding their love story. And just when Pam reveals to Bobby the exciting news she can conceive and carry a child full term - BOOM - the rug is pulled out from beneath our feet. It's was shocking, it was awful, it was tragic, it was beautiful...it was Shakespearean.
 

DallasFanForever

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I can remember two. One scene April and Bobby took Christopher and a girl on a double date to the roller skating court.
Another scene where Bobby and April were announcing their engagment Christopher is sitting in April's lap and is all happy he is getting a new mommy.
Okay, so there were a couple of scenes where April did act motherly with Christopher. Thank you Karin! I do remember these now.

So which one do you prefer a happy ending for Bobby and Pam or a tragic one?
Obviously I would prefer the happy ending for them. I am a sucker for happy endings too. But at the risk of making @Mrs Bobby James Ewing very, very angry with me, let me also say this.

Not everyone can get a happy ending and I also like the fact that Bobby and Pam are considered a tragic couple because it’s very realistic. I think the dark cloud was always hanging over their heads from the very first episode. Of course I’d rather see them together but I think part of their appeal is all the tragedy they endured, whether together or apart. So sadly, even though they were my favorite Dallas couple, maybe they were destined to end the way they did; and that’s sadly not together.

Maybe she wouldn't have if she wasn't leaving the show. Or what do you think?
I think it was a case of Pam having finally had her fill of Cliff’s nonsense. She was sick and tired of defending him when he just kept letting her down. And when he hurt her the way he did in season 9 (or 10 DVD) it was the last straw for her.
 

DallasFanForever

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I also think it's intersting how Cliff made peace with Miss Ellie and Bobby offered Cliff to work with him after Pam left. It was like the writers were telling us that without Pam and Bobby to be stuck in the middle of the fued, there was no point of carrying on the Ewing-Barnes feud so the only way they could keep Cliff tied to the Ewings was for him to make peace with them
As much as I love that scene in the park with Miss Ellie and Cliff, it really hurt the show. The Barnes-Ewing feud was too important to the show to let it die. And no conflict really ever replaced it. Had they replaced it with something better I wouldn’t have minded. In retrospect, Pam’s departure should’ve made Cliff more resentful towards the Ewings and made him more bitter. His hatred post-Pam could’ve kept her memory alive but obviously they chose to go a different route.
 

ChrisEwing2003

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I think the biggest problem for Pam was what the fight did to Bobby. It changed him to the point that it was turning him into what she hated the most; his brother. And I think ur right that she did have a blind spot sometimes when it came to Cliff, as Bobby pointed out to her more than once.
The biggest thing Bobby did during the fight that was more JResque I can recall is making the cartel buy him out of that one well that was closed he wanted to re-open. If they didn't like the terms of the contract, DON'T SIGN IT. All Bobby did was make them do was follow a contract they signed. It's not Bobby's fault the way the contract was written.
 

Karin

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Well that was not all Bobby did. He also hired a call girl to seduce I think his name was Hicks, and then he blackmailed the man.

I think the Ewing-Barnes feud was pointless once Pam left since they didn't have anyone stuck in the middle of it anymore. I think that is why they had Cliff make peace with Miss Ellie and Bobby.
 
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