Rove
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In the case of Sue Ellen I can only guess someone was a huge fan of Sue Ellen's ear-ring collection or Linda had it written in her contract.
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Rove
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I never understood the concept apart from some viewers needing everything spelt out to them. I love the idea of any series beginning with its intro prior to diving into all the action. The same can be said of movie trailers. There appears to be this growing movement where many now comment on movie trailers just getting it right to those giving the whole plot away.
southfork88
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All the same in Italy, except the initial musical theme different from the USA one ... for many years.
Seaviewer
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It does seem an unusual choice - unless it's just the first of a set.Did JR himself make this poster? Two most important characters and no one else
I developed a practice (and with Knots Landing also) of changing the channel briefly while the preview was on. Of course, with the old-fashioned rotary control the change was instant - not the several seconds it takes with digital. Improvement?
Yesterday from the Beatles
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I mean last Easter we didn't have The Eyes of Miss Texas 1967 in HD.
Best Easter present ever!
Only Knots Landing Remastered can beat this anytime.
Best Easter present ever!
Only Knots Landing Remastered can beat this anytime.
darkshadows38
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honestly i love the promos before the episode and i look at it this way i own seasons 1-4 on dvd for The original Hawaii-Five O (1968-1980) and on the episodes that are on there i always watch them before the episode and for me it helps me get in the mood to watch the next episode. for me Dallas is the same way i can watch one episode and than if i go and watch the next episode it gets me in the mood to watch the next episode even if it's one i have seen before. much like before i watch any tv episode i always read the synopsis first before i watch it that way i know what that episode will be about. also you can skip over it as well so it's not a big deal
Rove
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There are not enough words to describe this lengthy scene. From Pam and Bobby's interaction to a brief exchange of words between Ray and Bobby only for the patriarch of the Ewing family, Jock, to come storming out of the house with JR with Sue Ellen in tow. It's just brilliant how the writers created such rich scenes between the main players. Any wonder this series went from strength to strength.
Thanks Garry
Matthew Blaisdel
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Agreed, one doesn't find rich scenes like that in the last few seasons anymore, and that's a big one of the reasons, why the show failed in the end.
Plus, scenes on location outside the real ranch came across SO much better than when they stopped going there for good, that was such a step down - and another nail in the coffin.
How could the late producers be so careless and blind to think, it would still work, if you take almost all the great aspects that made the show tick away and reduce that fabulous core cast down to 3 or 4 people, that's really beyond me. Unless they WANTED to ruin the show and run it into the ground. If THAT was the plan, they were highly successful of course.
Plus, scenes on location outside the real ranch came across SO much better than when they stopped going there for good, that was such a step down - and another nail in the coffin.
How could the late producers be so careless and blind to think, it would still work, if you take almost all the great aspects that made the show tick away and reduce that fabulous core cast down to 3 or 4 people, that's really beyond me. Unless they WANTED to ruin the show and run it into the ground. If THAT was the plan, they were highly successful of course.
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Rove
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It's staggering to think the producers - the very people responsible for the success of Dallas - became blinded by their own creation. It's inconceivable that those same producers were responsible for allowing:
- An actor to demand and receive a massive pay increase
- Recasting a pivotal character who was the backbone of Dallas
- Forging ahead with one of the most ill-conceived, jaw-dropping ideas to bring back a dead character
- Letting go actors who were the very essence of Dallas
- Bringing in actors with limited acting skills
- Allowing a once formidable character to become an embarrassingly weak individual
- More or less stop on location filming which was at the heart of the series
darkshadows38
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i think we can all agree that none of us here will ever have answers for that I've always said that the first Season that Hagman did that i didn't fault him for that and i don't but than he got greedy so a lot of the money that went into the show no doubt went into paying for Hagman salary. maybe that's partly why they stopped going on locations? Hagman's Salary kept increasing and they just couldn't afford it anymore?
Matthew Blaisdel
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Could be that, and of course the overall budget cuts, that affected more or less all soaps at the time. Everything had to be cheaper and cheaper, storylines got weaker and weaker, the cast thinned out more and more.
No wonder audiences went over to the - well written and acted - sitcoms. I would've done the same. Those were at least INTENTIONALLY to laugh about.
I don't think it was all about Zeitgeist and that noone wanted to watch good soaps anymore from mid 80s on. The soaps just got too bad. But not all of them, otherwise Knots wouldn't have lasted till the mid 90s. And there were shows like the several Star Trek shows, which were more or less drama-soaps as well, just set in space ... and The X-files, which had very soapy elements at times as well, and those lasted far into the 2000s. So people weren't sick of soapy stuff at all... it just had to be GOOD stuff, not ridiculous crap.
Even the most successful shows of recent days were soaps. Game of thrones for example... millions and millions of viewers, literally the whole internet was talking about it, it was the show with the highest number of illegal downloads for years. A fantasy soap with intrigues and love and all and lasted for 8 years and would have lasted even longer, if it wasn't ruined by the producers as well in the last 2 seasons. The interest in soaps was NEVER gone. Even TNT Dallas could still be on, if Cidre hadn't made it a bad mexican crime telenovela.
No wonder audiences went over to the - well written and acted - sitcoms. I would've done the same. Those were at least INTENTIONALLY to laugh about.
I don't think it was all about Zeitgeist and that noone wanted to watch good soaps anymore from mid 80s on. The soaps just got too bad. But not all of them, otherwise Knots wouldn't have lasted till the mid 90s. And there were shows like the several Star Trek shows, which were more or less drama-soaps as well, just set in space ... and The X-files, which had very soapy elements at times as well, and those lasted far into the 2000s. So people weren't sick of soapy stuff at all... it just had to be GOOD stuff, not ridiculous crap.
Even the most successful shows of recent days were soaps. Game of thrones for example... millions and millions of viewers, literally the whole internet was talking about it, it was the show with the highest number of illegal downloads for years. A fantasy soap with intrigues and love and all and lasted for 8 years and would have lasted even longer, if it wasn't ruined by the producers as well in the last 2 seasons. The interest in soaps was NEVER gone. Even TNT Dallas could still be on, if Cidre hadn't made it a bad mexican crime telenovela.
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Rove
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Agreed. Think of Beverley Hills 90210 which then spawned the wildly successful Melrose Place. I will accept the huge success of Dallas must have been both a blessing and a curse for the producers and writers as keeping that level of interest for viewers must have given them migraines. But that's their job, not mine. My contract with Dallas is secured as long as the stories remain committed to the core characters.
darkshadows38
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well said sometimes i think the writers get burnt out while making really any tv show. for example Rod Serling by the time he Finished with the Twilight Zone (1959-1964) was ready to leave cause he was burnt out and he was Creatively burnt out as well that's why the show ended he had nothing left to give to another season. or anther Example Dark Shadows (1966-1971) ended really for 2 reasons i think 1. they had run out of ideas and 2 the film house of dark shadows (1970) because the parents who took their kids to the show believed the show was exactly like the film even though it wasn't it hurt the ratings.
as for a tv show like Dallas to take a guess i think where it also went wrong is the writers ran out of ideas at some point partly was they had done so much for the show and than they no doubt would hire really awful writers no doubt. Doctor who in the late 80's ended because of John Nathan Turner didn't from what i understand know good writing when he saw it he hired the people he met and liked i think. i could be wrong on that though & the lower budget also hurt the show in the end as well.
there were some gems in the late 80's but there were plenty of stinkers too. much like Soaps where there are seasons where we can agree they are Gems than greed from it's stars mainly Hagman got in the way & it also didn't help when he got a bigger part in the show behind the scenes i mean. and hiring actors that needed more experience. Beverly Hills (1990-2000) was still pretty good i think at the end it had seasons that were better than others but for me there weren't really any seasons that were painfully bad. my point is i think it was a lot of different reasons why Dallas wasn't as good at the end. i still watch Grey's and i have since Summer of (2005) when season 1 was Hiatus & for me season i think 11 when Patrick Dempsy left the show and season 17 i think? when Meredith was in the coma are the worst seasons.
but i do think the show generally is still good like Dallas both shows have had really damn good storylines and both have storylines where you wonder what they were smoking, who there dealer is because it wasn't the good stuff it was the stuff you find at the bottom of a trash can. i can say that about a lot of tv shows not just soaps but shows really in any Genre that i love.
as for a tv show like Dallas to take a guess i think where it also went wrong is the writers ran out of ideas at some point partly was they had done so much for the show and than they no doubt would hire really awful writers no doubt. Doctor who in the late 80's ended because of John Nathan Turner didn't from what i understand know good writing when he saw it he hired the people he met and liked i think. i could be wrong on that though & the lower budget also hurt the show in the end as well.
there were some gems in the late 80's but there were plenty of stinkers too. much like Soaps where there are seasons where we can agree they are Gems than greed from it's stars mainly Hagman got in the way & it also didn't help when he got a bigger part in the show behind the scenes i mean. and hiring actors that needed more experience. Beverly Hills (1990-2000) was still pretty good i think at the end it had seasons that were better than others but for me there weren't really any seasons that were painfully bad. my point is i think it was a lot of different reasons why Dallas wasn't as good at the end. i still watch Grey's and i have since Summer of (2005) when season 1 was Hiatus & for me season i think 11 when Patrick Dempsy left the show and season 17 i think? when Meredith was in the coma are the worst seasons.
but i do think the show generally is still good like Dallas both shows have had really damn good storylines and both have storylines where you wonder what they were smoking, who there dealer is because it wasn't the good stuff it was the stuff you find at the bottom of a trash can. i can say that about a lot of tv shows not just soaps but shows really in any Genre that i love.
bmasters9
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If indeed there is a physical, that box art will fit it nicely.
DarkVader
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Newbie here. Hello to all my fellow Dallas fans. I have been a fan of the show beginning with the show's 3rd season. I had just turned 12. My parents had been watching it from the beginning but I had no interest then. I owned all of the DVDs but parted with them when I moved back to New York from Miami back in 2012. When I got wind of WB's new remastering of the series I felt it was time to revisit the series from the beginning. I'm currently up to Season 2, Episode 10: "Act of Love".
The remasters are a thing of beauty. The show looks like it was shot yesterday, if not the day BEFORE yesterday. Kudos to Warners on doing such a great job preserving this series for future generations to come.
In re-watching the show I have to come to appreciate a lot of the performances and character development more so now than when I did back then. One thing that came to mind was that up until this point in his career Larry Hagman was known for his role as Major Anthony Nelson on "I Dream of Jeannie", a role where he played the fumbling, put-upon "straight man" to Barbara Eden's antics as "Jeannie". There was really no indication (other than maybe his disagreeable character in the 1966 film, "The Group") that he could successfully pull of playing a character as devious and corrupt as "J.R. Ewing". It is truly a testament to his talent that he was able to do so and will forever be fondly remembered for playing these two very different characters on two iconic television shows.
Over the years I have come to appreciate Linda Gray's portrayal of "Sue Ellen". When I was first viewing the show back in the 80s I really didn't warm up to her and perhaps I was just too young to really appreciate what she had to bring to the table, but I must say that she is really on top of her game. She went from being barely there in the first 5 episodes that were part of the mini-series to really sinking her teeth into what they gave her to play afterwards. A truly talented lady.
I think everyone from that first original cast truly embodied their characters from the very beginning and the writing in the early years of the show was truly top notch.
I am especially enjoying Victoria Principal's portrayal of "Pam" in these earlier episodes. Her character was so fiercely independent and spirited that is it's kind of sad to think how the character was changed moving forward.
Sorry for the long-winded post.
I hope to respectfully engage with you all in the near future.
I am now off to view Season 2, Episode 10: "Act of Love".
The remasters are a thing of beauty. The show looks like it was shot yesterday, if not the day BEFORE yesterday. Kudos to Warners on doing such a great job preserving this series for future generations to come.
In re-watching the show I have to come to appreciate a lot of the performances and character development more so now than when I did back then. One thing that came to mind was that up until this point in his career Larry Hagman was known for his role as Major Anthony Nelson on "I Dream of Jeannie", a role where he played the fumbling, put-upon "straight man" to Barbara Eden's antics as "Jeannie". There was really no indication (other than maybe his disagreeable character in the 1966 film, "The Group") that he could successfully pull of playing a character as devious and corrupt as "J.R. Ewing". It is truly a testament to his talent that he was able to do so and will forever be fondly remembered for playing these two very different characters on two iconic television shows.
Over the years I have come to appreciate Linda Gray's portrayal of "Sue Ellen". When I was first viewing the show back in the 80s I really didn't warm up to her and perhaps I was just too young to really appreciate what she had to bring to the table, but I must say that she is really on top of her game. She went from being barely there in the first 5 episodes that were part of the mini-series to really sinking her teeth into what they gave her to play afterwards. A truly talented lady.
I think everyone from that first original cast truly embodied their characters from the very beginning and the writing in the early years of the show was truly top notch.
I am especially enjoying Victoria Principal's portrayal of "Pam" in these earlier episodes. Her character was so fiercely independent and spirited that is it's kind of sad to think how the character was changed moving forward.
Sorry for the long-winded post.
I hope to respectfully engage with you all in the near future.
I am now off to view Season 2, Episode 10: "Act of Love".
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darkshadows38
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if you want to watch some of Hagmans' films and it's a bad one so get a keg you will enjoy it more drunk check out Beware The Blob (1972) he directed that one and has a cameo as well as a bum with a beard if i recall. the way he came to make it was more interesting than the actual film he was a fan of the original and that's the only thing i remember about it, why i thought of that awful movie i really have no idea but i think it was cause you were talking about his film work. but welcome to the site your older than me i hadn't even been born yet but i was on the way lol when the show 1st came out in Spring of 78.
i cannot wait until this comes to bluray and one wonders why they haven't even announced the date yet.
i cannot wait until this comes to bluray and one wonders why they haven't even announced the date yet.
Seaviewer
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Oh, I had long since noted that there were two strings to his bow, as it were - the goofy roles and the devious characters. Check out his appearance in the "A Capitol Affair" episode of The Name of the Game for one particularly nasty guy.
I so agree with you on that. I can't believe that Michael Filerman did that bitchy interview where he claimed he saw no evidence Linda Gray could act (yet he said nothing about Charlene Tilton who had very limited acting chops at the beginning of the show). Like you I am watching the season 1 remasters and have just finished "Black Market Baby" and I thought she was just terrific in that. It's clear that Sue Ellen as originally written had no character at all, and what she did in fleshing her out was pretty remarkable.
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