Forgotten soaps of the 90's

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the show started out with a mildly forlorn flavor I appreciated (and may have exaggerated in my head) and made me think just slightly of the first season of DYNASTY, and even of my own college days, if only vaguely.
That's how I would describe it, though I'd say that feeling lasted all season especially since most of it was spent in a snowy setting. I'd say they tried really hard to capture a spirit of nostalgia.
I think the show had some potential, but I don't recall it developed all that well -- wasn't there a serial rapist plotline that came up?
No, there was never such a thing. Beverly Hills 90210 had several of those though (which mostly targeted Donna, for some reason). Towards the end there was a multi episode arc of a student dating a professor though.
 

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I've gotta say that Homefront is running up my list of the best short-lived soaps of the 90s. And yes, it is a soap masquerading as a "serious drama" (boring!).
 

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I assumed that you were going to watch these obscure TV series by means of, let's say, less honourable sources, but then I discovered that complete HOMEFRONT is actually on you-know-what.
Today I sampled parts of various episodes just to get the "feel" of it, and the reason why I've decided not to watch it is because it stays too much on the wholesome side of drama.
Mimi Kennedy plays an antagonist kind of character (as I had hoped she would) but it's more in the style of Mrs. Oleson rather than JR Ewing.

Perhaps it's the patriotic American setting that prevents it from doing deliciously wicked soap, and it certainly looks charming enough but after rewatching SISTERS I decided never to watch that kind of "clean" drama ever again (or any drama of the 1990s except for Twin Peaks and the HBO stuff).
 

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I assumed that you were going to watch these obscure TV series by means of, let's say, less honourable sources, but then I discovered that complete HOMEFRONT is actually on you-know-what.
Today I sampled parts of various episodes just to get the "feel" of it, and the reason why I've decided not to watch it is because it stays too much on the wholesome side of drama.
Mimi Kennedy plays an antagonist kind of character (as I had hoped she would) but it's more in the style of Mrs. Oleson rather than JR Ewing.

Perhaps it's the patriotic American setting that prevents it from doing deliciously wicked soap, and it certainly looks charming enough but after rewatching SISTERS I decided never to watch that kind of "clean" drama ever again (or any drama of the 1990s except for Twin Peaks and the HBO stuff).
ABC nearly axed Homefront due to the weak ratings but a article in TV Guide changed things.

TV Guide had asked readers to vote on which ratings struggling show should be saved. Homefront was one, as was two other period dramas, Brooklyn Bridge starring Marion Ross and I'll Fly Away with a pre Law and Order Sam Waterston.

Homefront polled the most, hence why ABC gave it a second chance to eventually no avail.
 

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ABC nearly axed Homefront due to the weak ratings but a article in TV Guide changed things.
The influence of such polls tend to be very overblown - ABC dramas were doing terribly in the early 90s (very much in contrast with their comedies like Roseanne, Full House and Home Improvement, which were red hot), which led to Homefront and worse-rated The Commish and Life Goes On getting reprieves despite not doing well. In fact - Homefront was literally their highest rated drama the season it premiered! That's the reason they renewed it; the next season Homefront did a bit worse and The Commish started showing a faint pulse, so they booted Homefront (and Life Goes On).
 

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ABC would not have a hit drama until NYPD Blue.
It got so bad that they "stole" Matlock from CBS, despite being an obvious odd fit with ABC's often female demographic. I'm not sure why ABC was so resistant in investing in proper prime time soaps again considering their audience profile, especially once the Fox dramas took off.
 

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It got so bad that they "stole" Matlock from CBS, despite being an obvious odd fit with ABC's often female demographic. I'm not sure why ABC was so resistant in investing in proper prime time soaps again considering their audience profile, especially once the Fox dramas took off.
Correction, Matlock moved from NBC to ABC in Fall 1992.
I'd say ABC's biggest hit dramas by decade were 1980s Dynasty and Moonlighting, 1990s NYPD Blue, 2000s Desperate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy. One might add Hotel in the 1980s and The Practice in the 2000s but those shows got the audiences that they did because of their places on ABC's schedule, Hotel after Dynasty and The Practice after Who Wants to be a Millionaire Sunday night edition.
 

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Correction, Matlock moved from NBC to ABC in Fall 1992.
I'd say ABC's biggest hit dramas by decade were 1980s Dynasty and Moonlighting, 1990s NYPD Blue, 2000s Desperate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy. One might add Hotel in the 1980s and The Practice in the 2000s but those shows got the audiences that they did because of their places on ABC's schedule, Hotel after Dynasty and The Practice after Who Wants to be a Millionaire Sunday night edition.
To add ref Matlock, after the ABC switch, production switched from California (although the series was set in Atlanta) to North Carolina as it was near Andy Griffith's home, and to ease the travel burden on him.
 
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ABC would not have a hit drama until NYPD Blue.
NYPD Blue - despite the title, it was primilarly filmed in Los Angeles, with some NYC location shoots. By the final season, it was all filmed in LA.

David Caruso quit (didn't he have a falling out with Bochco?). His movie career failed and the drama Michael Hayes was cancelled after one season by CBS. It wasn't until 2002 he achieved success with CSI Miami.
 

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I'm still enjoying Homefront, but it's always like they shy away from playing out the most dramatic scenarios which I think is a big thing that held them back.

IE in the pilot a huge plot point was Sarah and Jeff having an affair behind his brother Hank's back who'd been in the war; you'd think there'd be a blow up at one point, but nope. She's killed off towards the end of the first season, there's almost a reveal that she kept his locket among her belongings but Jeff manages to hide and then Hank leaves off screen between seasons. No pay off.

Robert marries a white french woman and they experience some snide comments about their interracial marriage. Again, this would be a huge plot, but I guess they wouldn't want the majority of their cast turn racist (which they realistically would've been) and he's just written off to go to college in a way I didn't realise he was gone.

Caroline was a snitch for the Sloans and betrayed the workers union, but mostly Charlie just held that over her head a bit to get his divorce. I suspect more won't be made of it, but I have 13 episodes left so maybe I'm wrong.
 

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What's funny is that you'd expect there to be a full on affair but there wasn't it. It was emotional.

With that said, the 40s smoky detective movie direction that they're going in for the last few episodes are very the "YYYESSSS GIRL" direction that I wish.
 

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A bit of a nugget about the Savannah pilot from Robin Lively:
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I knew that the pilot was originally going to contain a fourth friend and dual action in Savannah / New York, but never knew that scenes were filmed and an actress was cast (Prilly later became Cassie).
I’m currently rewatching Savannah and the discarded Prilly gets a name check in episode 7. Reese stays out overnight with Tom and when she returns home, tells the girls that they went for pie to “Prilly’s Place”. I’m presuming this is just a nod to the dropped character by using her name as opposed to an indication of what her role on the show would be (cafe owner and purveyor of fine pie). I wonder if that original pilot with the four principals and the Savannah/New York setting out there somewhere?
 

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I've recently decided to watch Hyperion Bay which is on YouTube. It has a strong cast of familiar faces but the writing is terrible. This is one of the few projects Bernie Lechowick did without his wife Lynn Marie Latham. At the start it's about two brothers in a small town, one who is moving back from the big city. They work for a tech company which is incredibly boring and dated by todays standards. Initially it's a very earnest and boring show centered more around the male characters but they had a reboot midseason when Frank South from Melrose Place took over. You can see the focus shift more towards the female characters and Carmen Electra is brought in as a Amanda Woodward type character.

I will say, it was pretty painfully boring and then everything shifts in episode 9. The show did improve but it was so bad to start that I'm not surprised that viewers didn't give them another shot. I have 4 or 5 episodes to go and I look forward to seeing how far they go with this reboot before it ends. I'd recommend at least trying out some of the later episodes. It's still not great but had some potential.
 

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I've recently decided to watch Hyperion Bay which is on YouTube. It has a strong cast of familiar faces but the writing is terrible. This is one of the few projects Bernie Lechowick did without his wife Lynn Marie Latham. At the start it's about two brothers in a small town, one who is moving back from the big city. They work for a tech company which is incredibly boring and dated by todays standards. Initially it's a very earnest and boring show centered more around the male characters but they had a reboot midseason when Frank South from Melrose Place took over. You can see the focus shift more towards the female characters and Carmen Electra is brought in as a Amanda Woodward type character.

I will say, it was pretty painfully boring and then everything shifts in episode 9. The show did improve but it was so bad to start that I'm not surprised that viewers didn't give them another shot. I have 4 or 5 episodes to go and I look forward to seeing how far they go with this reboot before it ends. I'd recommend at least trying out some of the later episodes. It's still not great but had some potential.
That’s interesting to read that it improved with the Carmen Electra reboot. I haven’t watched it since it first aired but I was always under the impression that it was just a bad show overall.

As you mentioned, it was quite an earnest show to begin with. I think it was supposed to be a more gentle drama, probably somewhere in the vein of what we’d later get with Everwood and Gilmore Girls, but then the network decided they wanted a Melrose Place. I’d love to hear a podcast or at least read interviews with the creators of soaps like these, where their original idea was mashed up by the network (I’d include Blood & Oil and Central Park West in this category).
 

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They work for a tech company which is incredibly boring and dated by todays standards.
The 1990s had lots of great music and films, but zeitgeist-wise it hasn't aged as interestingly as the 1970s and 1980s.
But the one thing that does have a bit of nostalgia factor is people noisily rattling on those naff old keyboards. Codes! Error! E-mail! Loading......!
It is boring, very boring, but it's funny to see that they thought they were being hot and sci-fi because, wow, the internets. Sandra Bullock even did a film about it. I'm just saying.
Initially it's a very earnest and boring show centered more around the male characters but they had a reboot midseason when Frank South from Melrose Place took over. You can see the focus shift more towards the female characters and Carmen Electra is brought in as a Amanda Woodward type character.
The way I remember it (and perhaps best to keep it that way) I enjoyed the "town-y" feel of the first episodes. There was that lovely blonde actress from Models Inc who was married to a bully - I think he was murdered?
Carmen Electra looked like a character who couldn't actually exist in that world, or at least wouldn't want to be there. She was a CPW character, a pre-Yasmine Bleeth.
That "let's make 90s soaps more grounded" usually didn't last very long because they often had to rely upon a millionaire character to stir things up.
Glamour soap was dead (apparently!) but the "grounded characters" still needed to rub shoulders with those 80s archetypes in order to soap their respective soaps properly.
Perhaps it's not just about intentional retoolings, but also a symptom of 90s soaps failing the reinvent the genre.
Either way, I think Hyperion Bay had a better chance as a male-centered soap.
 

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The 1990s had lots of great music and films, but zeitgeist-wise it hasn't aged as interestingly as the 1970s and 1980s.
But the one thing that does have a bit of nostalgia factor is people noisily rattling on those naff old keyboards. Codes! Error! E-mail! Loading......!
It is boring, very boring, but it's funny to see that they thought they were being hot and sci-fi because, wow, the internets. Sandra Bullock even did a film about it. I'm just saying.

The way I remember it (and perhaps best to keep it that way) I enjoyed the "town-y" feel of the first episodes. There was that lovely blonde actress from Models Inc who was married to a bully - I think he was murdered?
Yes! Her husband was killed when it became more soapy. Her character also made a shift to being more of a vixen.
Carmen Electra looked like a character who couldn't actually exist in that world, or at least wouldn't want to be there. She was a CPW character, a pre-Yasmine Bleeth.
That "let's make 90s soaps more grounded" usually didn't last very long because they often had to rely upon a millionaire character to stir things up.
Glamour soap was dead (apparently!) but the "grounded characters" still needed to rub shoulders with those 80s archetypes in order to soap their respective soaps properly.
Perhaps it's not just about intentional retoolings, but also a symptom of 90s soaps failing the reinvent the genre.
Either way, I think Hyperion Bay had a better chance as a male-centered soap.
Carmen Electra I thought fit in well with the cast. I liked that the story shifted from tech problem of the week to your more typical soap tropes with a takeover storyline because it allowed them to focus more on the character development. In the end I do think it was a mistake to promote her like Amanda from Melrose Place because the only person she really clashed with was her father.

Having just finished the series I think the rebooted version could've worked had it been the original version of the show. I grew to enjoy the cast once they started mixing them up and giving them stuff to do.
 

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I'm still enjoying Homefront, but it's always like they shy away from playing out the most dramatic scenarios which I think is a big thing that held them back.
The things you mentioned in your spoiler tag were the exact things my mom said at the time... including breaking up the comedic couple that people rooted for.
 

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I've finally managed to watch the opening episode of The Monroes (unfortunately this is the only episode that has washed up for now). William Devane and Susan Sullivan are great as always, bouncing off each other as the heads of the Kennedy-esque clan. Cecil Hoffmann's role as the daughter who may be sleeping with the President (a shot of the back of a grey haired head in her bed suggesting that it may be Bill Clinton) is interesting but after that the other Monroe offspring fall into standard soap tropes - politically ambitious but loose cannon congressman son who's cheating on his wife, quirky photographer daughter, youngest son who is a wannabe writer who longs to be treated normally for who he is, not what family he comes from and another son who is in the Navy and wants nothing to do with the family's political intrigues but will inevitably be drawn back into them.

There's enough going on that would've kept me interested enough to keep watching the show. It's family dynamics remind me of Dirty Sexy Money albeit without the sharp writing. Some of it is a bit 90's cliche (there's a running joke about putting down the family dog, the "rebellious" writer son has an earring & rides a motorbike) and the intro music couldn't be any more generic but the overall end product is decent soap with Sullivan and Devane being the main attractions. On that subject, it's interesting to read that Devane took umbrage with the press referring to it as a soap during it's launch when it quite clearly is just that. This isn't dramedy or The West Wing, it's family soap in the tradition of Dallas.
It’s only taken six years but I’ve managed to watch more of The Monroes. Six of the eight episodes that Soapnet aired in the mid-00’s have surfaced.

Having watched three episodes now, it is even more laughable that Devane had an issue with it being called a soap, because it is even sudsier than I imagined. Most of it is driven by sex. Four episodes in (episode 3 isn’t available), and two of the patriarch’s former mistresses have shown up, one daughter is having an affair with the president, the other is about to embark on an affair after only being married for two months and the youngest son is falling for the oldest son’s wife. There may also be an illegitimate Monroe out there somewhere.

Susan Sullivan and William Devane do most of the heavy lifting and are a joy to watch together but the various kids do start to come into their own as the episodes progress. It’s not a bad show but I think the timeslot, up against Seinfeld and Caroline in the City on NBC and New York Undercover on FOX, was too tough to survive in.
 
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