Snarky Oracle!
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And both parties are blackmailed via the Epstein files --- not just the Republicans.
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And both parties are blackmailed via the Epstein files --- not just the Republicans.
Frank Underwood
Telly Talk Champion
I think it's too early to say. Nobody thought Trump would win once, let alone twice (the second time as a convicted felon.)
As with Trump, it will likely come down to how well (or poorly) the Democrats perform. He's probably not a contender in 2028, but he's only 42.
Ain't that the truth! But then, I'm sure they're paid handsomely for it (if not outright blackmailed.)
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Snarky Oracle!
Telly Talk Supreme
Ron Paul said today: "The Republicans deserved to lose, but the Democrats did not deserve to win."
Scorpienne
Telly Talk Member
What happened yesterday reminds me of Michael Moore's prediction of a Trump victory in 2016. He said something to the effect of 'It will be the biggest f*** you ever recorded in human history and it will feel good". I think yesterday was another of those moments. And it felt good.
CeeCee72
Telly Talk Star
If nothing else comes out of last night's results, at least we will got to see Trump and MAGA humbled.
I don't think the Vero will be much of a tool for Trump. If (and this is a big if) Dems try to pass legislation to boost the economy and Trump vetos it, the political fall out for Republicans will be massive. I doubt we will see much legislation at all in the next two years. Dems will hold the line against Trump's most egregious lawless actions and Trump will try to undermine any attempt by them to govern. It will be a stalemate, but one I think Dems will benefit most from in 2028.
CeeCee72
Telly Talk Star
It takes 67 senators to convict. Dems will NEVER get 13 Republican senators to convict Donald Trump for ANYTHING. Impeachment would be a total waste of time.
Michelle Stevens
'The Lovely Michelle'
There goes our $5000 Trump dividend checks. 
Frank Underwood
Telly Talk Champion
It's true, but it's also sad since the "victory" is purely symbolic. Give it five to ten years, and the shoe will probably be on the other foot yet again.
I feel this is a universal statement now. All you have to do is swap one party for the other, depending on the outcome of the election.
Yes, which is why even Kamala Harris is warning Dems against it.
Darn, that's a promise he was denied the opportunity to not deliver on. Too bad.There goes our $5000 Trump dividend checks.
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Frank Underwood
Telly Talk Champion
I find myself questioning the universe lately. First, Kamala Harris makes a valid argument against impeaching Trump, and now Hillary Clinton is warning that the Dems could "squander their gains if they fail to focus on the issues that matter to voters most." Clinton said addressing the affordability crisis should be their top priority, followed by cracking down on corruption. The fact that we're on the same page for once is frightening to me. Then again, the Clintons have always acted out of political expediency. Hillary made some serious miscalculations in 2016, but I think she's finally caught up to the times.
Hillary Clinton warns Dems may squander midterm victory if they fail to stay focused after election
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Knots4ever
Telly Talk Active Member
Yes, the Dems need to be smart for once - attempt and more importantly be seen to attempt to legislate the hell out of the cost of living crisis. Trump can either go along or be as dumb and stubborn as he has been. It’ll likely be the latter which further damages the Republican brand.
That in turn will cause a massive split between MAGAs and the old-school Reps (this has already started happening).
Investigations into Trump and anyone surrounding him can wait until after the 2028 election. And yes, there is plenty to investigate and it should be investigated … but smart (in fact, basic) good politics comes first.
None of this is rocket science.
That in turn will cause a massive split between MAGAs and the old-school Reps (this has already started happening).
Investigations into Trump and anyone surrounding him can wait until after the 2028 election. And yes, there is plenty to investigate and it should be investigated … but smart (in fact, basic) good politics comes first.
None of this is rocket science.
Frank Underwood
Telly Talk Champion
Yes, even a valiant effort on their part would go a long way to earning good will with the public, and opposing it would do more harm to the Republicans.
Yes.
True, but then Dems aren't exactly known for doing what's obvious.
With several old school, neoliberal Democrats now saying all the right things, maybe they finally get it. Whether that's put into action remains to be seen.
Snarky Oracle!
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CeeCee72
Telly Talk Star
The election results in my state are astounding. We flipped a Senate seat from red to blue (that was expected), flipped a majority of our red congressional seats to blue, and most shocking, flipped control of the state house to blue for the first time since the first Obama administration. MAGAs held on to a few local seats in deeply red counties and some state house seats due to extreme gerrymandering, but that's it. It was almost a complete sweep for Dems in a fairly red southern state. I hope Dems understand that they have exactly 2 years to get something done because Trump hate won't be much of a motivator for voters in 2028.
Frank Underwood
Telly Talk Champion
That's what concerns me. Politicians rarely learn their lesson, mainly because they're incentivized not to. However, seeing Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris call for Dems to focus on the issues while resisting the urge to go after Trump is quite the change. The Dems spent the last ten years gleefully spitting in the eye of the working class while going all in on impeachment and Russia-gate, so this pivot among certain neoliberal figures is certainly interesting.
That said, I don't think they've had a change of heart because they suddenly developed compassion for average Americans. However, they certainly care about power. If nothing else, this election sent a clear message that the American people are tired of getting screwed over by lying, scumbag politicians. I still believe they're all politically expedient ghouls, but as such, maybe they finally realize that the politically expedient thing to do is to give the people what they want. It's easy to cheer now that they've won, but then the work has to be done. If they go back to the status quo, the Dems could just as easily see a repeat of 2016 and 2024 in 2028. It sucks that their power has to be threatened to get them to do the right thing, but I'm all for whatever works.
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Julia's Gun
Telly Talk Well-Known Member
Would Stephen King make a good president? He was very vocal against Susan Collins in Maine, and knows a lot about defeating evil.
I should know, i've read most of his books.
I should know, i've read most of his books.
Frank Underwood
Telly Talk Champion
Snarky Oracle!
Telly Talk Supreme
Ann Coulter said, "Netanyahu grabbed Trump by the pussy."
Seaviewer
Telly Talk Warrior
I watched the PBS coverage on YouTube. I was sorry to see Susan Collins lose Maine, but otherwise a good day's viewing.
Yes, you're probably right. I forgot about the requirement for a two-thirds majority.
Crimson
Telly Talk Star
There is a contradictory correlation there. Politicians don't learn their lesson because they are never held accountable. "Move on for the betterment of the country" has been the excuse since the post- Civil War era. Politicians on both sides (intentionally or unintentionally) wreck havoc and commit crimes and the only price they pay is lifetime benefits and fat bank accounts. The only lessons that will be learned from the Trump era is how easy it will be to do again in a few years.
Frank Underwood
Telly Talk Champion
The problem is twofold. The corrupting influence of lobbying groups incentives politicians to do their bidding, which leads to those "fat bank accounts."
The second problem is that accountability is in the hands of other corrupted ghouls. That's why the Dems didn't go after Bush or Trump for war crimes. They couldn't resist looking for anything to hang Trump on, but they didn't go after the major offenses. They couldn't without indicting themselves.
Now you have some key figures in the Democratic Party calling for a sober response towards Trump and a focus on issues like the economy. I can only speculate about their motive. Personally, I believe they finally realize that Trump hate is no longer enough to keep them in power. They have to actually put in the effort to govern while opposing Trump's policies and appointees. They're walking a tight rope between pleasing their donors and pleasing the voters, which is why it'll be interesting to see what they actually do. I'm not expecting much, but the fact that they're at least saying what the voters want to hear shows that they understand what the voters care about. How that translates to their actual governing style going forward remains to be seen.
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