The Knots-verse

[J. R.'s Piece]

Did Gary and Valene get divorced after their second marriage - the one where Miss Ellie bought them a house in California for a wedding gift? If so, why did they divorce the second time?

Thanks.

Gary began sleeping with Abby not long after Jock Ewing died in 1982. He was having tensions with Val over the time he was spending with Abby on a methanol project. Abby also helped drive a wedge in Gary and Valene’s marriage by getting Val’s book, Capricorn Crude, published. The book was a work of fiction but based on Val’s experiences with the Ewings. After sealing a deal on the methanol project, Gary started sleeping with Abby. Abby sent a copy of Val’s manuscript to JR, in return for advance information from JR on how Gary would benefit from Jock’s Will. In return, JR wanted Abby to keep Gary out of Dallas.

Abby also got JR to lend Gary a little more than the $50,000 dollars, he needed to pay for stolen auto parts.

That story also led to the death of Gary’s next door neighbour/boss and Abby’s brother, Sid Fairgate

 

[Karin]

It was their later split. Nice picture. May I steal it for an avatar once again?
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Sure thing. It's not like I own it. I've just downloaded it from somewhere online way back...
But yeah it's a great pic and one of my favorite of the triangle.

 

[Seaviewer]

Did Gary and Valene get divorced after their second marriage - the one where Miss Ellie bought them a house in California for a wedding gift? If so, why did they divorce the second time?

Technically, of course, Gary and Val were not divorced after their first split. Their second wedding marked a fresh start but not a second marriage.

 

[Karin]

Interesting. I was sure they had divorced and remarried on Dallas. But I am probably wrong about that.

 

[J. R.'s Piece]

Interesting. I was sure they had divorced and remarried on Dallas. But I am probably wrong about that.

They hadn’t been divorced that particular time they remarried.

 

[Chris2]

Interesting. Did they ever say on screen that they had never divorced the first time? If so, when? I vaguely remember when they remarried in season 11, someone saying something about “third time’s a charm”.

 

[Karin]

That's a good point. I haven't watched the episode when Val and Gary got remarried in a while. But I seem to remember that JR wanted to stop the wedding. So why would he want to do that if Val and Gary were already married?

It doesn't make any sense.

 

[ArchieLucasCarringtonEwing1989]

That's a good point. I haven't watched the episode when Val and Gary got remarried in a while. But I seem to remember that JR wanted to stop the wedding. So why would he want to do that if Val and Gary were already married?

It doesn't make any sense.

Why would JR want to prevent the remarriage between two of his most hated people? That’s the real mystery :-/

Gary was his least favourite brother unlike Bobby I can understand JR having an objection toward Bobby and Pam being together since JR actually cared about him.

 

[Karin]

Why would JR want to prevent the remarriage between two of his most hated people? That’s the real mystery :-/

He wanted to prevent it since he thought that it meant that Gary and Val would settle down back at Southfork again. He didn't want Gary at Southfork so when Sue Ellen told him that Miss Ellie had bought Gary a house in California JR became really happy and decided to have some china sent to Gary and Val as a wedding gift.

 

[Seaviewer]

Interesting. Did they ever say on screen that they had never divorced the first time? If so, when? I vaguely remember when they remarried in season 11, someone saying something about “third time’s a charm”.

Yes, Miss Ellie remarked that if she had been separated as long as Gary and Val had been she would want a new ceremony, too. As for the "third time's a charm", it was still their third wedding, just not their third marriage.

 

[J. R.'s Piece]

Why would JR want to prevent the remarriage between two of his most hated people? That’s the real mystery :-/

Gary was his least favourite brother

But just before James Beaumont was revealed to be JR’s son, JR placed Gary above Ray, regarding Bobby’s toasts to his other brothers. JR called Ray a bastard in every sense of the word. When talking to Gary in Five Dollars A Barrel, JR called Gary a Ewing and Ray “that half-breed Ray Krebbs”. In Knots Landing: Community Spirit, JR greeted Valene with “Well, how’s my favourite sister-in-law!”, which could be sarcasm and also possibly indicative how much he dislikes Pam, especially as Valene now lives far away. JR also seemed to respect Gary standing up to him on a couple of occasions on Knots Landing, although he may have been lying. JR also admitted that Gary was potentially dangerous to him.

JR told Valene that she was a lovely lady but a royal pain. Behind her back, he called her a wimp and a tramp. But he also stated that he hated Pam and told Pam to her face that he had despised her since at least episode 1.

 

[Rove]

They never mentioned Bobby on Knots Landing after the time that Pam woke up. So we can’t be sure if he stayed dead.

So how do we explain Gary and Valene's appearance in TNT Dallas? If Bobby remained dead on Knots Landing then someone has some serious explaining to do here....

I cannot wait for my trusty soapchat experts to come up with an explanation.​

 

[Willie Oleson]

When Dallas erased that part of its history it also erased that part of Knots Landing in the Dallas universe. Gary never received the news that Bobby had died.
And since this is TNT Dallas and not TNT Knots Landing, they can pick and choose the "truths" from Knots Landing.

 

[Toni]

It was too much a temptation for the Cidre House not to ruin "Dallas" only. She also had to screw "Knots Landing" too. And make Val a dirty-mouthed b*tch who always hated poor Sue Ellen. Shame shame shame Cidre House!!

Here´s the first image googled by the Duck Pond
Team when they searched on who Valene was.
They obviously stopped the search immediately.​

 

[J. R.'s Piece]

It was too much a temptation for the Cidre House not to ruin "Dallas" only. She also had to screw "Knots Landing" too. And make Val a dirty-mouthed b*tch who always hated poor Sue Ellen. Shame shame shame Cidre House!!

​

The extent of Sue Ellen’s previous onscreen dialogue to Val being her “Welcome to Southfork, Valene” in Reunion part 2. And they were together at Lucy’s wedding. Of course, Gary said that he couldn’t stand Sue Ellen and referred to Kristin as using a Sue Ellen manipulation. Maybe Sue Ellen really really annoyed Gary when she snapped at him twice in No More Mister Nice Guy part 2”. And Gary did say to Kristin that he had met Kristin before.

 

[Karin]

I really wish we had seen more of Valene and Lucy on the new Dallas. It was like they were brought in for cameo appearances which wasn't fair to the fans or to the actresses. I for one would have wanted to know more about what Lucy's life was like today and if she'd ever had any kids.

The same goes for Ray actually. I would have wanted to know if he and Jenna were still married, if he was back in the US or still in Europe. If Jenna and Ray ever had any kids since considering that Lucas was a baby when they got married I'd say it still would have been possible for them to have had another child who was younger than Lucas.

Then as for Val and Gary. We heard they were having problems due to that Gary had fallen off the wagon and yet they never explored this. Val flew out to Dallas to see Gary and yet we never got to see how their conversation went. It didn't make any sense.

Then as for Val's scene in Sue Ellen's office. I have a strong feeling that scene was originally meant to be JR/Val but had to be changed due to Larry's untimely death.

 

[Rove]

Then as for Val and Gary. We heard they were having problems due to that Gary had fallen off the wagon and yet they never explored this. Val flew out to Dallas to see Gary and yet we never got to see how their conversation went. It didn't make any sense.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I read somewhere Joan had stated publicly most of her scenes for TNT Dallas were cut since she watched for her appearance. Do we know if those deleted scenes made it to the DVD release?

 

[Karin]

I know there is one scene that was cut. She talks about a scene in this interview between her and Ted that we never got to see:

http://www.ultimatedallas.com/dalla...van-ark-talks-about-her-return-to-dallas-tnt/

Unfortunately it was not included on the DVD's just like the dance scene with JR/SE was not available on the season one DVD. It annoys me since I would have loved to watch both those scenes. I mean how could they not include them on the DVDs at least?

I think they included a scene with someone getting a hand in a box as a deleted scene for season three but not those two important scenes for season one and two!

Joan also said in that interview that it broke her heart that she wasn't included in JR's memorial or had more scenes. Something like that.

 

[Rove]

Joan also said in that interview that it broke her heart that she wasn't included in JR's memorial or had more scenes. Something like that.

For such an iconic character I would have moved Heaven and Earth to invite past characters to JR's Memorial Service. Why didn't the producers seek out Morgan (Punk Anderson) Woodward? The guy is now 93! There is also his on screen wife Mavis, played by Alice Hirson, now aged 89. What of William (Jeremy Wendell) Smithers who is now 91.

Assuming these actors had all their faculties when the Memorial episode was being created the producers could have sought the aforementioned actors. What a hoot it would have been for a real villain like Jeremy to rock up to JR's Memorial and show Cliff Barnes what evil really means.

 

[Karin]

I agree that it would have been nice to see more characters come to JR's memorial service. I think James and his family should have been there. Also it could have been a good place to introduce Cally and JR's son. Also Sly and Marilee Stone would have made a lot of sense too. Yet I doubt they were even asked to come back.

I know Priscilla Presley was asked back though but was unavailable since she was doing a panto in England. Maybe if she hadn't been Jenna and Lucas would have been at the memorial ceremony too. It would have made sense since Jenna liked JR and he was Lucas' uncle.