The psychology of JR Ewing

CeeCee72

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We know a lot of things about JR. We know he was a liar, a schemer, a cheater, and an all around narcissist. We know he never appreciated what he had, and only showed an interest in having something if he thought it was out of reach. We saw him repeatedly be unwilling or unable to think of others and their emotional needs. He saw him abuse his wife (who he claimed to love), lie and cheat his mother and his brothers, treat women as objects and sexual playthings. We even saw him sacrifice his son's affection.

What we never saw is WHY JR was the way he was.

It was hinted at. Ellie saying she let him go too early and Jock was too hard on him. His attitude about women was probably influenced by his father - "women belong in the bedroom, not the board room!" Clearly Jock and Ellie played favorites among their sons their entire lives.

All of the Ewing boys were mixed up. But the others were at least able to occasionally put their love for their wives and their family above their own personal wants and needs. JR never could.

I wish the writers had given us more insight into what made JR into the man he was. But since they didn't, I wonder what you guys think happened to him to make him so damned evil.
 

Billy Wall

Telly Talk Dream Maker
It’s complicated. JR and even Sue Ellen has said that everything he does is to appease Jock. But that doesn’t explain every single thing he did. Jock once said that he taught JR everything he knows, but he never taught him when to stop. With that being said, Jock himself was being a little hypocritical because he once forced a man who later committed suicide into a mental asylum for his land.

Not excusing everything he did, but I can kinda see why JR ended up as screwed up as he did.
 

Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

Telly Talk Champion
Perhaps he fell out the crib as a baby and banged his head!

Or possibly he bounced a bit!

That would explain why he had the devil in him.

He wasn't right in the head. :)
 

CeeCee72

Telly Talk Star
Not excusing everything he did, but I can kinda see why JR ended up as screwed up as he did.
Yeah, me too.

I keep coming back to the weird dynamic between Ellie and Jock. I mean, yeah they were deeply on love, but I always got the feeling there was some rocky stuff in their past that we never knew about.

To be honest, I always felt Jock probably cheated on Ellie early in their marriage and JR knew it. That might have made it "okay" in JR's mind for him to do that to Sue Ellen (and later Cally).
 

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
Oh, I think the writers gave us some insight over the years into how and why JR's mind ticked the way it did.

I don't know if he was technically a sociopath -- some feel he was too "soft" in certain ways, but that's a mistake. Terrible, diagnosable people can often engender unwarranted sympathy because they may seem forlorn or vulnerable -- and that tells you next to nothing about their humanity, such as it may be. That forlornness is often over their inability to control others as thoroughly as they'd wish.

Clearly, JR tended to objectify people -- everybody was there to serve JR in some way. That sort of narcissism is just fundamental to someone with JRs value system, especially when he has all the resources to back up his 24/7 selfishness. And that unwavering selfishness is what, regrettably, others see as "strength" in a figure like JR Ewing; his total and unapologetic focus on himself is admired for the same reason bloody dictators are so admired by many: they are without internal conflict, at least in terms of how it affects their goals and their actions.

Remember, people don't tend to want to be better than they are, they want to be worse than they are -- only with greater efficiency and success.

How much of a role did his parents play in how JR turned out? It's anybody's guess.. There are certain things in all of our personalities which are innate and hardwired, and others which are environmental --- nurture versus nature. With JR, I doubt how much effect Miss Ellie could have had on him; she beats herself up for "letting go too soon" but with a daddy like Jock Ewing, and a chauvinistic environment like Southfork/Braddock/Dallas/Texas, just how much could Mama really do to save JR from what he became?

Then there's Jock himself, By the time we met him, he was sweet (well, semi-sweet) grandpa, but one assumes he was much worse in his youth, and he even alludes to as much a couple of times in the script. Anything is possible in Jock's past (and I'm not sure I buy into his anti-Klan history that THE EARLY YEARS prequel tried to sell us in 1986, but if that's what the writers say then that's what the writers say...). In contrast, JR was just a spoiled rich kid whose job was to maintain the family's wealth as opposed to building a business from (below) the ground up, which requires a different kind of focus, and perhaps even a different kind of ruthlessness.

But the oil baron who-never-quite-grew-up persona was reflected even in JR's early wardrobe: a little boy in a grown man's suit. And that didn't really change until his beloved daddy had died and JR no longer had to scheme around Jock's nose and manipulate behind his back.

Suffice it to say, while Jock laments that he taught JR everything he knows, he indeed never taught him when to stop. And with someone as Mephistophelesian as Jock Ewing, why would he ever even think to teach his eldest son "to stop" before it was much too late?

Gary and Bobby had the same father, and they couldn't have been more distinct from one another. But all of the sons were profoundly affected by their parents' issues and behavior. So some of their susceptibility to react one way or another is inborn.

Psychiatry tells us that empathy is taught not by the mother -- no matter how patient and loving she may be, but by the father or father figure. And how much empathy did Jock have to convey, or parlay, to Junior? Well, we see the result.

Even Jock's will and its pointless codicil was destined to rip his family apart, no doubt to "toughen" them up even further after his death. And the perverse "mysterious letter" to be opened after the year-long contest simply guaranteed JR's place at the head of the company anyway! If JR won the battle, he ignores Jock's letter and takes it all; while if Bobby wins the contest, he respects his father's wishes in the letter, shares the company with is big brother, and JR continues to run circles around Bobby as per usual.

The patriarch does these kinds of things to his family for decades, even post-mortem, and all they can do is worship him for it.

I mean. my God. Watching the shenanigans at Southfork may have been entertaining, but you do not want to be a member of that family, that House of Ewing.


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CeeCee72

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Oh, I think the writers gave us some insight over the years into how and why JR's mind ticked the way it did.

I don't know if he was technically a sociopath -- some feel he was too "soft" in certain ways, but that's a mistake. Terrible, diagnosable people can often engender unwarranted sympathy because they may seem forlorn or vulnerable -- and that tells you next to nothing about their humanity, such as it may be. That forlornness is often over their inability to control other as thoroughly as they'd wish.

Clearly, JR tended to objectify people -- everybody was there to serve JR in some way. That sort of narcissism is just fundamental to someone with JRs value system, especially when he has all the resources to back up his 24/7 selfishness. And that unwavering selfishness is what, regrettably, others see as "strength" in a figure like JR Ewing; his total and unapologetic focus on himself is admired for the same reason bloody dictators are so admired by many: they are without internal conflict, at least in terms of how it affects their goals and their actions.

Remember, people don't tend to want to be better than they are, they want to be worse than they are -- only with greater efficiency and success.

How much of a role did his parents play in how JR turned out? It's anybody's guess.. There are certain things in all of our personalities which are innate and hardwired, and others which are environmental --- nurture versus nature. With JR, I doubt how much effect Miss Ellie could have had on him; she beats herself up for "letting go too soon" but with a daddy like Jock Ewing, and a chauvinistic environment like Southfork/Braddock/Dallas/Texas, just how much could Mama really do to save JR from what he became?

Then there's Jock himself, By the time we met him, he was sweet (well, semi-sweet) grandpa, but one assumes he was much worse in his youth, and he even alludes to as much a couple of times in the script. Anything is possible in Jock's past (and I'm not sure I buy into his anti-Klan history that THE EARLY YEARS prequel tried to sell us in 1986, but if that's what the writers say then that's what the writers say...). In contrast, JR was just a spoiled rich kid whose job was to maintain the family's wealth as opposed to building a business from (below the) ground up, which requires a different kind of focus, and perhaps even a different kind of ruthlessness.

But the oil baron who-never-quite-grew-up persona was reflected even in JR's early wardrobe: a little boy in a grown man's suit. And that didn't really change until his beloved daddy had died and JR no longer had to scheme around Jock's nose and manipulate behind his back.

Suffice it to say, while Jock laments that he taught JR everything he knows, he indeed never taught him when to stop. And with someone as Mephistophelesian as Jock Ewing, why would he ever even think to teach his eldest son "to stop" before it was much too late?

Gary and Bobby had the same father, and they couldn't have been more distinct from one another. But all of the sons were profoundly affected by their parents' issues and behavior. So some of their susceptibility to react one way or another is inborn.

Psychiatry tells us that empathy is taught not by the mother -- no matter how patient and loving she may be, but by the father or father figure. And how much empathy did Jock have to convey, or parlay, to Junior? Well, we see the result.

Even Jock's will and its pointless codicil was destined to rip his family apart, no doubt to "toughen" them up even further after his death. And the perverse "mysterious letter" to be opened after the year-long contest simply guaranteed JR's place at the head of the company anyway! If JR won the battle, he ignores Jock's letter and takes it all; while if Bobby wins the contest, he respects his father's wishes in the letter, shares the company with is big brother, and JR continues to run circles around Bobby as per usual.

The patriarch does these kinds of things to his family for decades, even post-mortem, and all they can do is worship him for it.

I mean. my God. Watching the shenanigans at Southfork may have been entertaining, but you do not want to be a member of that family, that House of Ewing.


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What a great post!

I guess I have always had trouble wrapping my head around the "soft" side of JR Ewing. We do see glimpses of it (mostly with John Ross and Sue Ellen, but occasionally with Bobby and Ellie).

Clearly though, Jock was the most powerful influence in making JR who he was. Sue Ellen described him more than once as a "lost little boy" seeking Daddy's approval. I wish I could feel differently, but I always felt JR's "lost little boy" act was just that - an act. He knew it got to her so he pulled it out when he needed to.
 

Taylor Bennett Jr.

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To be honest, I always felt Jock probably cheated on Ellie early in their marriage and JR knew it.
There's a scene in the early episode Old Acquaintance where Jock and JR meet old crony Maynard Anderson, whose appointment to a prominent position in the Energy Department is in jeopardy due to his wife finding out about his affair with Jenna Wade #1 and threatening to go public with the information. Maynard has approached JR for help with the situation.

Jock tells Maynard something like "well, in my day we handled our women a little different," implying that he or one of his contemporaries would have have held his wife in line and prevented her from saying anything. JR looks really uncomfortable immediately afterwards, as if imagining or possibly remembering something that might have transpired between his parents decades ago.

(I always thought it was funny that though Jock liked to lecture JR about subtlety, seconds after sitting down at the table he just blurts right out something like "I heard your wife caught you in the kip with Jenna Wade!")
 
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CeeCee72

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I honestly think the reason I struggle so much to understand JR's character is because I was so young during the show's original run. My most vivid memories of him are from season 8 (DVD) onward. He was softer then.

Doing my first complete rewatch (currently on season 6) and it's rather shocking how purely evil that man was.
 

Snarky Oracle!

Telly Talk Supreme
I honestly think the reason I struggle so much to understand JR's character is because I was so young during the show's original run. My most vivid memories of him are from season 8 (DVD) onward. He was softer then.

Doing my first complete rewatch (currently on season 6) and it's rather shocking how purely evil that man was.

One of the good things about the nuDALLAS continuation show was that JR seemed genuinely ominous again... Having said that, I'm not one who minded JR becoming kind of exhausted or "wimpier" in the last couple of seasons of the original series, because it made some sense at the time: he'd lost a lot and was burned out a bit on his own malice, especially when it's backfired repeatedly. It's a slice of life, and I wasn't the kind of fan who demanded JR Ewing be an impervious, invulnerable metaphor for Beelzebub 24/7.

What I minded was the show around him deteriorating, too.

OIP.KY6FQChxDd48Dn7D2mpMlwHaFC
 

CeeCee72

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I guess what I really am curious about is..

Did JR love his parents? Or just crave their approval. We see almost ZERO affection between him and Ellie (save the dream season which doesn't count). I think Ellie WANTED to believe there was good in him (when he was wooing Sue Ellen to get her to remarry him, Ellie honestly seemed to believe JR had changed). We NEVER see affection between him and Jock.

Did he love John Ross? Or did he view John Ross as a possession that held they key to the future of Ewing Oil?

Did he love Bobby? I mean, I think we all agree that he didn't care for Ray or Gary, but he DID seem to have a soft spot for Bobby (after Bobby was shot, after Pam disappeared).

The only character I am SURE he loved was Sue Ellen. We saw him open up to her and be vulnerable to her several times. But even that was a love/hate relationship. I think part of him HATED her because he loved her. And let's face it. Emotionally, she was even more screwed up than him. But that's a whole different discussion. Yes, I believe there was love there, but it seemed more like a sick obsession than anything else.
 
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Snarky Oracle!

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I guess what I really am curious about is..

Did JR love his parents? Or just crave their approval. We see almost ZERO affection between him and Ellie (save the dream season which doesn't count). I think Ellie WANTED to believe there was good in him (when he was wooing Sue Ellen to get her to remarry him, Ellie honestly seemed to believe JR had changed). We NEVER see affection between him and Jock.

Did he love John Ross? Or did he view John Ross as a possession that held they key to the future of Ewing Oil?

Did he love Bobby? I mean, I think we all agree that he didn't care for Ray or Gary, but he DID seem to have a soft spot for Bobby (after Bobby was shot, after Pam disappeared).

The only character I am SURE he loved was Sue Ellen. We saw him open up to her and be vulnerable to her several times. But even that was a love/hate relationship. I think part of him HATED her because he loved her. And let's face it. Emotionally, she was eve more screwed up than him. But that's a whole different discussion. Yes, I believe there was love there, but it seemed more like a sick obsession than anything else.

But that's the eternal question about anybody who is like JR -- is he capable of loving anybody? Even his relationship to Sue Ellen was so fraught with his own, usual control/domination/exploitation issues (and her masochism) that one has a hard time finding the love in it, unless we really stretch the term.

There is a gnostic school of thought that "bad" people (e.g., sociopaths, narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder) are a unique breed of person, one which is highly specialized in what they are, and our attempting to humanize them with qualities like "love" and rationalize their pathological characteristics as the "flaws" of an "imperfect" person are more-or-less pointless.

But I don't know about all that.

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CeeCee72

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JR has huge issues with control and women. He seemed to tolerate Sue Ellen and all her faults (although cheating constantly) right up to the point where he could no longer control her.

Even with Mandy, it wasn't so much the modeling in underwear that drove him away, but the fact she wouldn't obey him that made him end things.

In season eleven, when he took up with Kimberly, yes I know it was about Weststar. But I think it was also about Sue Ellen. She was her own woman by then and he had very little control over her. I don't think he liked that.
 

CeeCee72

Telly Talk Star
But that's the eternal question about anybody who is like JR -- is he capable of loving anybody? Even his relationship to Sue Ellen was so fraught with his own, usual control/domination/exploitation issues (and her masochism) that one has a hard time finding the love in it, unless we really stretch the term.



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I think that has always been my core view.

Did JR love Sue Ellen?

Yes. As much as he was capable of loving anyone. But not the way "normal" people love their partners. I just don't think he had that in him.
 

Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

Telly Talk Champion
Oh, I think the writers gave us some insight over the years into how and why JR's mind ticked the way it did.

I don't know if he was technically a sociopath -- some feel he was too "soft" in certain ways, but that's a mistake. Terrible, diagnosable people can often engender unwarranted sympathy because they may seem forlorn or vulnerable -- and that tells you next to nothing about their humanity, such as it may be. That forlornness is often over their inability to control others as thoroughly as they'd wish.

Clearly, JR tended to objectify people -- everybody was there to serve JR in some way. That sort of narcissism is just fundamental to someone with JRs value system, especially when he has all the resources to back up his 24/7 selfishness. And that unwavering selfishness is what, regrettably, others see as "strength" in a figure like JR Ewing; his total and unapologetic focus on himself is admired for the same reason bloody dictators are so admired by many: they are without internal conflict, at least in terms of how it affects their goals and their actions.

Remember, people don't tend to want to be better than they are, they want to be worse than they are -- only with greater efficiency and success.

How much of a role did his parents play in how JR turned out? It's anybody's guess.. There are certain things in all of our personalities which are innate and hardwired, and others which are environmental --- nurture versus nature. With JR, I doubt how much effect Miss Ellie could have had on him; she beats herself up for "letting go too soon" but with a daddy like Jock Ewing, and a chauvinistic environment like Southfork/Braddock/Dallas/Texas, just how much could Mama really do to save JR from what he became?

Then there's Jock himself, By the time we met him, he was sweet (well, semi-sweet) grandpa, but one assumes he was much worse in his youth, and he even alludes to as much a couple of times in the script. Anything is possible in Jock's past (and I'm not sure I buy into his anti-Klan history that THE EARLY YEARS prequel tried to sell us in 1986, but if that's what the writers say then that's what the writers say...). In contrast, JR was just a spoiled rich kid whose job was to maintain the family's wealth as opposed to building a business from (below) the ground up, which requires a different kind of focus, and perhaps even a different kind of ruthlessness.

But the oil baron who-never-quite-grew-up persona was reflected even in JR's early wardrobe: a little boy in a grown man's suit. And that didn't really change until his beloved daddy had died and JR no longer had to scheme around Jock's nose and manipulate behind his back.

Suffice it to say, while Jock laments that he taught JR everything he knows, he indeed never taught him when to stop. And with someone as Mephistophelesian as Jock Ewing, why would he ever even think to teach his eldest son "to stop" before it was much too late?

Gary and Bobby had the same father, and they couldn't have been more distinct from one another. But all of the sons were profoundly affected by their parents' issues and behavior. So some of their susceptibility to react one way or another is inborn.

Psychiatry tells us that empathy is taught not by the mother -- no matter how patient and loving she may be, but by the father or father figure. And how much empathy did Jock have to convey, or parlay, to Junior? Well, we see the result.

Even Jock's will and its pointless codicil was destined to rip his family apart, no doubt to "toughen" them up even further after his death. And the perverse "mysterious letter" to be opened after the year-long contest simply guaranteed JR's place at the head of the company anyway! If JR won the battle, he ignores Jock's letter and takes it all; while if Bobby wins the contest, he respects his father's wishes in the letter, shares the company with is big brother, and JR continues to run circles around Bobby as per usual.

The patriarch does these kinds of things to his family for decades, even post-mortem, and all they can do is worship him for it.

I mean. my God. Watching the shenanigans at Southfork may have been entertaining, but you do not want to be a member of that family, that House of Ewing.


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Now hold on a second!

I'm Bobby Ewing's son Luke.

Now whilst I acknowledge that my Mother was a bit of a looper (Jenna Wade).

I am however a fine upstanding person and despite being in a Sanitarium for about fifteen years I am as sane and as normal as you are! :)
 

Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

Telly Talk Champion
What a great post!

I guess I have always had trouble wrapping my head around the "soft" side of JR Ewing. We do see glimpses of it (mostly with John Ross and Sue Ellen, but occasionally with Bobby and Ellie).

Clearly though, Jock was the most powerful influence in making JR who he was. Sue Ellen described him more than once as a "lost little boy" seeking Daddy's approval. I wish I could feel differently, but I always felt JR's "lost little boy" act was just that - an act. He knew it got to her so he pulled it out when he needed to.

He pulled what out!?!

He only pulled that out when he was with Mandy Winger! :D
 

Billy Wall

Telly Talk Dream Maker
In season eleven, when he took up with Kimberly, yes I know it was about Weststar. But I think it was also about Sue Ellen. She was her own woman by then and he had very little control over her. I don't think he liked that.

I’m not too sure about that. JR seemed genuinely proud of her when Sue Ellen was screaming and she told him “I learned from the best.” Whatever she did though, JR couldn’t stop cheating.
 

CeeCee72

Telly Talk Star
I’m not too sure about that. JR seemed genuinely proud of her when Sue Ellen was screaming and she told him “I learned from the best.” Whatever she did though, JR couldn’t stop cheating.
Pride is different than love, though. Sure he was proud of her. She learned from the master. Still, had to sting that she didn't need him to make her life matter anymore.
 

Mustard

Telly Talk TV Fanatic
Really? We're clearly shown why J.R. Ewing is the way he is. First, J.R. is the oldest of Jock Ewing's children. Jock took him out to the oil fields when he was a small child and J.R. felt right at home, but his daddy then went off to fight in WW2 and J.R. waited years for his return so he could learn more, which he did, and was taught how to be utterly ruthless in business. Jock said that he didn't teach J.R. the other side of it (i.e. when to stop) while Miss Ellie said that she had let J.R. go too soon, meaning not staying around him more with the kindness stuff. Also, Gary became a father before J.R. and had his very outsider's independent way of thinking, while Bobby was the most spoiled of the siblings and therefore had a better and less flawed personality (albeit with a short temper), so this feeds into J.R.'s insecurities.

Oh yes, it's very easy to see how J.R. Ewing became what he was. He wants to be the most ruthless, the biggest winner, the most vicious and successful of all of them, and rub their noses in it, either subtlely or with humiliation. Even in his personal life, J.R. has reduced things to "business" and wants control. Jock didn't have that problem anywhere near as much, and Miss Ellie is extremely proud and independent anyway. Why did J.R. get with Sue Ellen initially, I wonder? They do sometimes have a sizzling chemistry, but J.R. wants control of what goes on, and oil, business and power is the most important thing to him, never merely women for the sake of women. It bothers Sue Ellen that J.R. cares most about business, especially when he's too busy for her or simply not in any mood.
 
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