What more would you like Miss Ellie to do?

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Maybe Ellie could buy a nightclub in Braddock and headline as a lounge singer, giving Afton a run for her money.

Yeah she could sing that rather naughty song about being f***ed on the kitchen floor!

Not sure if it's on YouTube or not but Jim Davis laughs his head off!

 

[Jock's Ghost]

I read recently that the actor who played PUNK ANDERSON, Morgan Woodward, was originally offered the part of JOCK. When he heard his friend Jim Davis was up for a part, he suggested Jim out of respect and love for his friend who he felt deserved it. Imagine if Woodward had taken the part, Davis the Punk role. Anderson would have died at the end of the 4th season. Woodward as Jock and Ellie would have returned from their honeymoon lasted into the 90's....

 

[Jock's Ghost]

It's hard to say. Some people feel Ellie didn't really ever love Jock, or perhaps that she didn't love Jock as much as he loved her. Maybe because Ellie married Jock in part due to financial need (not unusual for women of another era). Or maybe they relate more closely to Jock, and feel Ellie was a less-loving person overall.

So would Ellie have been drawn to Wes Parmalee because she felt he was really Jock?

There are so many questions... but that's what made the Parmalee plot so compelling.

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Her love for him wasn't as strong perhaps answers why she forgave him for his affair with Margret Krebbs. Or she grew to love him so much that she couldn't stand to live without him and didn't give a flip about a meaningless affair? I always felt they should have emphasized her love for Digger. She did love him despite it being teenage feelings. The prequel movie hinted at it...

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

I think Miss Ellie grew to love Jock very much after he saved the ranch.

She probably started out just having respect for him before she fell over heels with him.

She showed a lot of maturity for accepting Ray as Jock's son but she showed that they both could work through their marriage because Jock was man enough to admit his affair with Margaret Hunter. I'm proud of both of them, they could both be headstrong with each other but at the end of the day their love together endured.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

I read recently that the actor who played PUNK ANDERSON, Morgan Woodward, was originally offered the part of JOCK. When he heard his friend Jim Davis was up for a part, he suggested Jim out of respect and love for his friend who he felt deserved it. Imagine if Woodward had taken the part, Davis the Punk role. Anderson would have died at the end of the 4th season. Woodward as Jock and Ellie would have returned from their honeymoon lasted into the 90's....

I could see MW asJock, I think he would have been great
Another possibility - I could envision Forrest Tucker as Jock. He had that imposing exterior, and I could see him inspiring
respect from Bobby and JR

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Her love for him wasn't as strong perhaps answers why she forgave him for his affair with Margret Krebbs. Or she grew to love him so much that she couldn't stand to live without him and didn't give a flip about a meaningless affair? I always felt they should have emphasized her love for Digger. She did love him despite it being teenage feelings. The prequel movie hinted at it...

I could see your point.

It always bothered me that when JR mortgaged Southfork, she said something like 'didn't marry you to lose Southfork'
That doesn't sound like love to me.
It bothered me that she was willing to give Southfork to Garrison, after Jock saved the ranch and grew it into a wealthy entity.
It really bothered me that she gave away half of it to Clayton - JR was right to object.

I don't know. Maybe she loved Jock, but not unconditionally

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

I could see your point.

It always bothered me that when JR mortgaged Southfork, she said something like 'didn't marry you to lose Southfork'
That doesn't sound like love to me.
It bothered me that she was willing to give Southfork to Garrison, after Jock saved the ranch and grew it into a wealthy entity.
It really bothered me that she gave away half of it to Clayton - JR was right to object.

I don't know. Maybe she loved Jock, but not unconditionally

Miss Ellie did love Jock very much, you're both misconstruing what she meant.

When she said I didn't marry you to lose Southfork this was merely a reference that Jock saved the ranch before and Ellie married him because of it. She grew to love him very much and when JR was revealed to have mortgaged Southfork she obviously felt that her Father's legacy (Southfork) could be taken away from her because Jock had saved the ranch decades earlier.

 

[Jock's Ghost]

I could see your point.

It always bothered me that when JR mortgaged Southfork, she said something like 'didn't marry you to lose Southfork'
That doesn't sound like love to me.
It bothered me that she was willing to give Southfork to Garrison, after Jock saved the ranch and grew it into a wealthy entity.
It really bothered me that she gave away half of it to Clayton - JR was right to object.

I don't know. Maybe she loved Jock, but not unconditionally

Garrison was dying anyway, so her giving it to him was a gesture, nothing more.

 

[Toni]

Garrison was dying anyway, so her giving it to him was a gesture, nothing more.

That nurse of his should have been a gold-Digger (saw what I did?) like that smuggler nurse Hatton who tormented poor Swellin at the Fletcher sanitarium. Imagine that Miss Ellie does give Garrison the ranch back, and when he dies, all goes to the wicked nurse, who settles down at Southfork for ever and ever.

"From now on, I will give sedatives to Mrs. Ewing..."​

 

[Jock's Ghost]

I agree with everything you said, but the part that Clayton was an outsider. Is Miss Ellie never supposed to re-marry?

Not to a boring, plot-only, boring dolt.

 

[Billy Wall]

Not to a boring, plot-only, boring dolt.

It wouldn’t have worked any other way. You think JR and even Bobby would have tolerated another Jock type that was their dad?

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

We never saw any family of Ellie's other than her brother Garrison.
Maybe there could have been a story other than the ownership of Southfork

 

[Chris2]

I would like Miss Ellie to buy a lingerie company or run an aerobics studio. Do they make sack-dress versions of leotards?

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

I would like Miss Ellie to buy a lingerie company or run an aerobics studio. Do they make sack-dress versions of leotards?

I'm not sure but you do get sack versions of ordinary knickers they're called bloomers.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Wasn't there a "Murder She Wrote" style subplotin BBG's final season?

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Wasn't there a "Murder She Wrote" style subplotin BBG's final season?

Yeah in season thirteen.

I think it was one of Clayton's friends who was presumed dead. I think the character was Atticus Ward played by John Larch. He played twins in it but I can't remember the name of the other brother. Anyway one of them was Dusty's real Father & it was Clayton's sister who was bumping them off!

 

[Snowcat]

initiate a torrid affair with Andy Bradley!

No, Punk Anderson. That would be interesting

 

[Snowcat]

Not a question of she can't remarry.
She married a major nemesis of her eldest son, not caring at all about his feelings.

This was a man who
Gave shelter to his runaway wife, her lover and his son.
Was prepared to propose marriage to Sue Ellen
Threw a cheap punch at JR at his wedding to Sue Ellen
Tried to physically attack JR when he remarked that Clayton was acting like a
jealous suitor - first his wife then his mother.

I can't imagine a mother who can be so callous toward her own son,
who despite his flaws, is still her son.

For bonus points, she cluelessly gives half of Southfork to Clayton.
JR was right to be outraged.

Good points. But honestly, who outside the family was not JR’s nemesis?

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Good points. But honestly, who outside the family was not JR’s nemesis?

I would have to think that one over.

He liked Jenna Wade
Mostly OK with April
Casey Denault while he was useful
Punk and Mavis Anderson
Sly
The detectives that worked for him
Patricia Shepperd liked JR
Clayton's Sister

Not really disputing you. It would make for a good discussion

 

[Jock's Ghost]

It wouldn’t have worked any other way. You think JR and even Bobby would have tolerated another Jock type that was their dad?

No. Just should have been Jock that returned.