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I cant wait - the new farm labourer has just arrived at the farm and looks like trouble to me - bolshy attitude and looks like trouble ahead for Benny

Your intuition might be right on the money, BF. ;)




Im enjoying Kathy Staff as Miss Luke, what a lovely chararacter actress she was

She's wonderful in every scene, and I love how protective she is towards Benny, speaking up for him when he won't speak up for himself.

It's nice to think of Kathy Staff playing these two memorable and iconic characters - Doris Luke and Nora Batty - on different channels during the same time period.




Did like Benny in the office with his new and tight fitting suit and cap but still wearing a manky shirt - i like his style of filing - looks like the NHS takes note - plonk it somewhere!!

Ha ha.

This series is really great at putting Benny in situations where he's out of his depth and just allowing the awkwardness to happen. As mentioned earlier in the thread, before he arrived on screen I wasn't overly looking forward to Benny's arrival, but what @Julia's Gun said about Paul Henry embodying the character completely and always being in the moment is very true. I enjoy how dishevelled and unselfconscious he is. He's frequently doing things like scratching or almost picking his nose that plays against the rules of what one is supposed to do with cameras present, and it's perfect for the character.
 

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This series is really great at putting Benny in situations where he's out of his depth and just allowing the awkwardness to happen. As mentioned earlier in the thread, before he arrived on screen I wasn't overly looking forward to Benny's arrival, but what @Julia's Gun said about Paul Henry embodying the character completely and always being in the moment is very true. I enjoy how dishevelled and unselfconscious he is. He's frequently doing things like scratching or almost picking his nose that plays against the rules of what one is supposed to do with cameras present, and it's perfect for the character.
I always had a problem with Benny but maybe it was because I was too young to understand him completely. I felt initially it was unclear whether Benny was just uneducated or if he had a learning disability because at times he would make really intelligent and practical decisions and other times he would be way more irrational. As time went on, I felt he was written more towards the direction of having a learning disability but the inconsistency of his behaviours never completely worked for me.
 

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I always thought he had a LD without them ever saying it outright

if i remember people were nick named "Benny" if they werent too bright or "a bit thick" (or if they wore a wooly hat)

Paul Henry played him very well I thought


on a side note

rewatching "Meg" coming to terms with Sandys accident - i think this might be her mother Jockey sitting at the end of the row and tunring her head towards the camera

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And after rewatching said episode I think Im going to have to put Coventry cathedral on my list of places to visit in the next few years

It looks very lovely and I love the classical music they play when she is in the church (anyone know what it is??)

My dad was evacuated during the war from Kent and sent to Staffordshire for 2 plus years - he always said they (Germans) left Kent alone but they knocked 7 bells out of Coventry and Birmingham and bombed them to bits!! Including this cathedral

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I felt initially it was unclear whether Benny was just uneducated or if he had a learning disability because at times he would make really intelligent and practical decisions and other times he would be way more irrational. As time went on, I felt he was written more towards the direction of having a learning disability but the inconsistency of his behaviours never completely worked for me.
I always thought he had a LD without them ever saying it outright

I probably only really saw any Xrds from the early Eighties onwards, so I'm not sure if this is after things changed, but yes - I too also assumed the character had a learning disability.

I suppose me being young meant that I didn't really think too deeply about it (anymore than I realised a kid up the road from me had special needs) until I grew up. At the time he was simply Benny and I suppose I accepted him just as he was.

Part of the reason I wasn't overly looking forward to his arrival was that I feared that he might be horribly one-note or too caricature. The image of Benny is one that seems bigger than many other characters... everyone remembers the wool beanie and the dungarees. So far he's far more watchable than I'd been expecting.




f i remember people were nick named "Benny" if they werent too bright or "a bit thick"

Around the time I started watching Xrds, I stumbled upon the little nugget that during the Falklands conflict the UK armed forces disparagingly named Falkland Islanders "Bennies" after the character.



rewatching "Meg" coming to terms with Sandys accident - i think this might be her mother Jockey sitting at the end of the row and tunring her head towards the camera

Oh wow. That puts a whole new spin on things.




I think Im going to have to put Coventry cathedral on my list of places to visit in the next few years

Yes... it's made my list as well.
 

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Im now reaching these episodes

well firstly Mrs Bailley - she appears barking mad and the main thing i can diagnose thats wrong with her is she cant act! and those fake eyelashes!! UGH, shes an attention seeking little madama nd no wonder hubby wants a divorce, and the little tease with George Bigguns (I cant help but think of late great Keneth Williams and Carry on with that inneundo - ivor Bigguns et al)

Poor old Dr Butterworth deserves better - what a cushy little number he has by the way and how many patients does he have at the motel ? Whats Shughie doing in those kitchens? arsenic?? poisoning the guests??

and as for Dianes brother - gobby, wee toe rag and annoying with it, I hope he doesnt last for too long, he needs a hair cut and not too sure why women would find him attractive

and as for that perfume, was it Mandigo? I bet it was flying off the shelves back then, Smitty and Stevie B didnt get a look in (cheap and cheerful perfumes which kids gave to their mothers on Mothers day and they tried to look happy and pleased! Well my mum and best friends mum did lol)

(It did remind me of jim Baines with ginormous perm in silky dressing gown - and i thought bet he wears Hi Karate!)

and poor old Benny, Miss Luke has George and linda well sussed and wonder how Benny will do in the ? Cumberland ? wrestling match - with any luck, George will be laid up for months on end

And Mr Booths new wife as a "hostess" in Tangiers (Mr K Williams used to go there i recall) the staid Bernard and his sexy wife - she did alright for herself as she married Nick Mason from Pink Floyd!

and Lasagne creeping on the menu!! Pass me the smelling salts - Im loving it all!!
 

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well firstly Mrs Bailley - she appears barking mad and the main thing i can diagnose thats wrong with her is she cant act! and those fake eyelashes!! UGH, shes an attention seeking little madam

Ha ha.

Well some spoiler-ish bad news, BF: You'll be seeing quite a bit of Mrs Bailey for quite some time. I must confess I've grown to thoroughly enjoy her unpredictability.



the little tease with George Bigguns

The writers are going to have to go a long way if they're to top Mrs Bailey's brush-off line "I'm allergic to the smell of vegetables". It's pure Miss Babs.



Poor old Dr Butterworth deserves better - what a cushy little number he has by the way and how many patients does he have at the motel ?

Yes indeed. It's like Steve Cater arriving and suddenly there's a petty crime wave at the motel and he has to spend all his time there. I hope there aren't any murders happening elsewhere in Kings Oak, because they won't get a look in.



jim Baines with ginormous perm in silky dressing gown - and i thought bet he wears Hi Karate!

Oh yes. By the gallon.



Tangiers (Mr K Williams used to go there i recall)

Well remembered. He went with Joe Orton and Kenneth Halliwell quite a few times.



and Lasagne creeping on the menu!!

The scandal!! That Bernard and his exotic foreign food.
 

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When Meg attempts to accept Sandys accident and pray, when she is in Coventry Cathedral - they mention Pearl Hyde and Megs says I met her once

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Its seems this lady achieved an awful lot, Mayor of the city, Labour councellor and many more - she died in a car accident and Nolly pays trbute to her at 4 mins 38 in the video

 

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Does anyone know if it’s true that Noelle Gordon was the only actress on the show to ever have a proper, permanent contract with programme maker, ATV with the rest of the Crossroads ensemble only being paid as and when needed as this might help to explain why some characters disappeared from the motel and were not seen on air for long periods - often, several months at a time.
 

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I want the DVD!! ASAP

I loved Nolly, it started off my re interest in Noele and Crossroads and would probably never have thought to buy a box set of Crossroads if it hadnt been on

Right now I cant get enough of Noele, Nolly, Meg and chums xx

Tony adams on the Southampton Reels (extras on Box set, he did turn up in his boat, and Nolly did seem pleased to see him and started waving more enthusiastically from QE2 )

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a few little gems

Filming the Royal wedding to Hugh Mortimer and those crowds!


Interviews with cast at 3000th party and i didnt recognise Sally Adcock aka Jane


Nolly shopping!

 

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some lovely words from her Memorial Service in Birmingham


and having a nosey round her home


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Does anyone know if it’s true that Noelle Gordon was the only actress on the show to ever have a proper, permanent contract with programme maker, ATV with the rest of the Crossroads ensemble only being paid as and when needed as this might help to explain why some characters disappeared from the motel and were not seen on air for long periods - often, several months at a time.
I think thats correct. I have watched quite a lot of Noele Gordon inteviews of late and its mentioned in one of them.

Not sure if it is The Real Nolly on ITV player (or not)
 

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Filming the Royal wedding to Hugh Mortimer and those crowds!

Oh, that's lovely. The excitement coming from the crowd - and Nolly and John - is electric. It really is like a Royal Wedding.



Interviews with cast at 3000th party and i didnt recognise Sally Adcock aka Jane

The beginning reminds me of watching old cine films of the family - all those smiling faces and I find myself wondering what they were saying to one another. I don't even remember seeing Glenda and Archie in a scene together, so that was especially surreal.

I was laughing at Sue Hanson being mistaken for Cilla, and Ronald Allen's "clocking on" proposal.

Sally Adcock certainly does look different. No wonder she said she's never recognised. I now assume she must wear a wig to play Jane since she must have been filming at the time and surely wouldn't keep switching from blonde to brunette. I'd never have noticed (unlike our resident wig guru @Alexis, who I'm sure would spot it right off), but now I think about it, Jane's hair is rather straggly. I'll be keeping a close eye on her barnet as I watch tonight.
 

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I think thats correct. I have watched quite a lot of Noele Gordon inteviews of late and its mentioned in one of them.

Not sure if it is The Real Nolly on ITV player (or not)

I watched the Real Nolly on ITVX last night and it wasn’t mentioned in this. :)

I liked the close knit relationship she had with her mother, Jockey, who certainly seemed to be a bit of a character.

Also surprised to discover that she was the long term lover of showbiz impresario, Val Parnell (of Sunday Night at the London Palladium fame) which I did not know prior to watching this. :)

Nice also to see the contributions of Sue Nicholls and Paul Henry in this programme.
 
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He’s helped Meg get out of the funk apparently caused when Hugh was kidnapped and killed by international terrorists (and I’d thought the reference in The Making Of Acorn Antiques was just OTT silliness) which included David’s son and a mysterious French girl who were staying at the motel at some point.

Episode 2887

I've been blitzing dics 14-16, but, I just had to post about epiaode 2887 from Jan 1978. This episode is on youtube as well.

Most of it takes place in Meg's boudoir which I don't recall seeing before, and it was like a Fawlty Towers/Acorn Antiques bedroom farce. The actor Anthony Steel appears behind the curtain and is looking for Hugh - but apparently he's already been killed in Australia?

It was just a peculiar but fun and bizarre episode to watch, with the writers apparently attempting to introduce humour into the script with Meg deciding to hide him in Hugh's bedroom and she keeps smuggling up trays of food and coffee, pretending to be hungry herself.

Is her bedroom featured anymore? It seems to have so much dramatic potential for groundbreaking soap strorylines - we could have had motel guests breaking in and assaulting Meg in her bed, or a Jill v Val -type storyline, with her having pills forced down her throat in a suicide attempt. Her bedroom appears to be on the ground floor, as the next morning we can see views of what appears to be a sweeping country estate, nestling in the background. Did the Crossroads plot also include acres of majestic Kings Oak countryside as well? This episode is so surreal, with the attempts at humour and Meg pretending to stifle a cough, as David listens outside her door, convinced she has another man in her room with her.

Is this the last we see of Meg's bedroom, or is this just the beginning of a classic extension to the Crossroads motel set?
 
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17 October - 13 November 1978
3030 - 3045

All told, it’s been a reasonably eventful month at Xrds, certainly in terms of comings and goings. There’s been a dramatic departure and the exciting returns of characters who have been absent from our screens for a while, along with a new face or two.

The “goings” department has seen the story with Mrs Bailey wrap up. Well, Mrs Bailey herself has died, but there’s a mess behind in terms of the village gossip about the relationship between she and Dr Butterworth (“Bailey & Butterworth” sounds rather like a law firm. Or perhaps a detective series. What a missed opportunity for a spin-off featuring the medic and his eccentric patient solving a new crime every week).

With her death, so ends Mrs Bailey’s ongoing theatre of the absurd. I’ll greatly miss it as provided a wacky edge to the drama, something that feels very Xrds (or, at least, the Xrds I envisioned, knowing it as I did primarily by reputation). Her exit, as it turns out, was rather more sombre than many of her scenes (certainly on the more “tragi” end of her entire tragicomic arc).

So far as Dr Butterworth goes, I’m afraid it doesn’t look good. Like a typical soap doctor, he seems to be characterised by good intentions and bad choices. It wasn’t just Mrs Bailey who was conditioned to develop an over-reliance on him. One of those “seriously?!” moments came after Mrs Bailey’s body was discovered, either dead or dying, and Sandy - seated beside the switchboard and telephone - instructed someone to phone for… Dr Butterworth! Nobody seemed to even consider the possibility of dialling “999”.

Is Mrs Bailey Xrds first suicide, I wonder, or has there been one already in one of the gaps? I suspect it’s the former. It’s a thorny issue, but there’s no shortage of those at the moment.

Indeed, Jack Barton’s run is starting to be defined by two things for me: extreme strictness around retakes in the “as live” production (it’s many a year since I’ve seen anything other than “Take One” *), and the inclusion of more social issues.

I also wonder if the series is making political statements as well. It’s done with a lighter hand than we’d see half a decade later on Brookside, but several scenes recently have drawn attention to what I assume are real world posters to make comment.

In the Xrds garage (on which more later) someone browsed approvingly through some posters about the sale of fireworks being prohibited to under 16s. Meanwhile, over in the surgery, genuinely ill Miss Tatum was seen to abandon her appointment with Dr Butterworth (who else) after seeing a poster on the wall which said “Be prepared to leave empty-handed” and went on to say that one should consider if their appointment is needed or a waste of the NHS’s time. Dr Butterworth’s concern about Miss Tatum and his tut-tutting when the poster was revealed as potentially driving away patients felt like a very clear frustration at the stance of either the NHS or the Government. Naturally, Miss T was coaxed back into the surgery and given plenty of Dr Butterworth’s time. Even if they’d been back home from work in time to witness this, I’m sure hardworking GPs the country over would have gazed at his peaceful waiting room, hands-on receptionist and his bottomless pool of time to spare his patients and said “If only…”.




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* Last night, one of several vivid dreams saw me watching a Xrds scene being filmed in which someone fluffed so many times the takes were running into double figures - possibly even the hundreds. There were so many that my dream incorporated all these quick cuts of take after take. I can’t remember who it was. An older gentleman, I think. Perhaps a character actor. The most awkward thing about watching was that he kept on trying even as it was plain to see on his face that he knew he’d never work on the series again.
 

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As mentioned, the Xrds garage has rematerialised from wherever it was. Indeed, as we cut back we learn that Sharon has been there the entire time, apparently running the place and suffering in silence (or at least out of our earshot. She’s not one for keeping her moans to herself is Sharon). Shagging her boss seems to be a habit with her. After her fling with Jim Baines, she’s now reunited with former boss Victor Lee with whom she apparently has both history and - so it seems - a future. Or at least she did until Victor’s former sister-in-law showed up (I spent much of her first episode trying to work out whether she was or wasn’t Yootha Joyce. She wasn’t, but looks very similar).

Sharon seems a bit sassier this time round, with a sharp line for almost every occasion. However, I can’t help hearing these lines and feeling that this time round she’s coming across as a cut-rate Vera Downend. Then my mind goes to annoyance that Jack Barton would sack Zeph Gladstone to replace her with what feels like a less interesting choice.

Sharon is a Xrds rarity: a character I’ve found it very difficult to click with. I get irritated by the Fiona Thompson airs when she speaks, and I spend most of her screen-time trying to work out if she’s common doing posh (like Patricia Hamilton, where it’s actually written into the character) or a bit posh and trying to do working class (like Bo Beaumont) or is someone who’s improved themselves and gained airs (like David Jason or most of the older cast of Corrie whenever they give interviews).

I hope we do click at some point, Sharon and I, because it seems she’s here to stay for at least a lengthy stint. She’s now invited herself to move into Diane’s place, just as Jane is going off to the Sullivans for one of her extended stays. Every time Jane does this I worry I’ll never see her again, and if it is the case this time then I fear Sharon and I will never be OK.

Diane herself is also off on one of her trips (to visit Nicky in America, I think). I dare say she deserves a break after the reveal that Diane is the sleepwalker who’s been slashing clothes and wrecking the flat. I’ll miss her, too. But I won’t miss watching Steve Cater unhinge his jaw as he moves in for a nose-gobbling kiss with her.

As is clear, the pieces are moving like Billy-O at the moment. But some are moving in the right direction. Benny has shown up and found himself a job - albeit an apparently very temporary one - at the motel. Best of all, Doris Luke has returned and - after a job she was about to begin fell through - become a vegetable cook in the kitchen. The chemistry is great. She and Shughie chatter over one another. Bernard looks down on her for her lack of qualifications. And she’s put her foot in it by discussing Bernard with Helen, not knowing they were married. And she’s only been back for a handful of episodes. I’m looking forward to more!
 
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