Will Smith punches Chris Rock at the Oscars?

[Snarky Oracle!]

It's actually quite 'funny' how much people are talking about this --- I mean, like, there's this war in Ukraine and a man-made humanitarian disaster in Yemen.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Why do you think you know better than Dr Seuss Enterprises about the reasons for their decision than they do themselves?

Your statement is laughable, and again is an example of a logical fallacy,
since I never said that.
As usual, you jump to a wild conclusion that does not address the issue in a direct way, and your statement makes no sense.
Do you believe every statement issued by every entity?
Do you seriously think that decision was made in a vaccuum.
You are incapable of dialogue without being hostile

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

I wasn't questioning there service, I was pointing out that actors of the era were as political, if not more so, that actors today.

Other than Ukraine, those were the only other political issues mentioned during the Oscar ceremony which you described as being "extreme", "leftist" and "woke". If you were referring to those issues, which one were you describing in that way?


This is ridiculous. Did you actually read my comments? I was making a general point which wasn't directed at anyone in particular. My exact words were "People who wear blue and white badges and ribbons criticising other for virtue signalling is the height of hypocrisy".

I welcome people challenging my opinions especially when they do so with facts instead of half-truths, inaccuracies and lies. What I don't do is accuse people of bullying just because they disagree with me.

It is not ridiculous, I did read your comments and you did not ACCURATELY read my comments.
You accused me of including Gender, Race and Sexual Orientation in my description of woke, which I did not.
You can't produce that quote BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST!!! That is a fact you conveniently avoid

Did you ever think that you are the intolerant one, since you DO PERSIST IN BULLYING BEHAVIOR
and your pathetic attempts to deny it only reflect more poorly on you

Challenging opinions? What a joke.
You are not challenging opinions. You are engaging in hostile, confrontational behavior toward others with a series of logical fallacies including but not limited to
straw man constructs, deflection, hasty and overly broad generalizations, ad hominum attacks, etc.


You seem to use the ist card whenever you can't make an effective point otherwise. You are the one who uses
facts out of context, half-truths, inaccuracies and how dare you include lying when
your postings are disingenuous from A to Z

If you are implying that I am lying, shame on you What is it that I am lying about, since I use sources and quotes and processed observations
that have been made public
Again, you are leveling personal attacks. How despicable

As far as the broadcast, the actors (cough, cough) have a history of making political statements at award shows (and other places), and engaging in activism, using their celebrity as a bullhorn to a public that probably doesn't want to hear it, if ratings for these shows are any indication

YOU DO NOT WELCOME OTHER OPINIONS, clearly, as is evident to anyone who reads your nonsensical rantings
And by the way, I have known a number of men and women who can debate with skill, reason, dignity
and authority. I certainly don't possess their skill, and I don't pretend to do so. When I think of them and you, I don't rate you very favorably at all.

Please continue to post whatever you want. It puts your intolerance and BULLYING on full display

 

[Angela Channing]

It is not ridiculous, I did read your comments and you did not ACCURATELY read my comments.
You accused me of including Gender, Race and Sexual Orientation in my description of woke, which I did not.
You can't produce that quote BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST!!! That is a fact you conveniently avoid

Did you ever think that you are the intolerant one, since you DO PERSIST IN BULLYING BEHAVIOR
and your pathetic attempts to deny it only reflect more poorly on you

Challenging opinions? What a joke.
You are not challenging opinions. You are engaging in hostile, confrontational behavior toward others with a series of logical fallacies including but not limited to
straw man constructs, deflection, hasty and overly broad generalizations, ad hominum attacks, etc.


You seem to use the ist card whenever you can't make an effective point otherwise. You are the one who uses
facts out of context, half-truths, inaccuracies and how dare you include lying when
your postings are disingenuous from A to Z

If you are implying that I am lying, shame on you What is it that I am lying about, since I use sources and quotes and processed observations
that have been made public
Again, you are leveling personal attacks. How despicable

As far as the broadcast, the actors (cough, cough) have a history of making political statements at award shows (and other places), and engaging in activism, using their celebrity as a bullhorn to a public that probably doesn't want to hear it, if ratings for these shows are any indication

YOU DO NOT WELCOME OTHER OPINIONS, clearly, as is evident to anyone who reads your nonsensical rantings
And by the way, I have known a number of men and women who can debate with skill, reason, dignity
and authority. I certainly don't possess their skill, and I don't pretend to do so. When I think of them and you, I don't rate you very favorably at all.

Please continue to post whatever you want. It puts your intolerance and BULLYING on full display

1. You didn't answer my question, what political material in the Oscar ceremony were you referring to as "extremist", "leftist" and "woke" if it wasn't the comments about gender, racial and sexual orientation equality?

2. When did I call you a liar?

3. I hereby invite everybody and anybody to challenge anything I post on this forum. I welcome a good debate because that's what forums are for. I won't accuse anyone of bullying just because they disagree with me.

 

[Willie Oleson]

accuse anyone of bullying

I wouldn't worry about that. It only means someone's running out of ammunition, and hysterical outbursts are only meant to distract from it.

As for the video posted above - why black women should or shouldn't be protected - lots and lots of blabla and I'm still none the wiser.

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

I wouldn't worry about that. It only means someone's running out of ammunition, and hysterical outbursts are only meant to distract from it.

As for the video posted above - why black women should or shouldn't be protected - lots and lots of blabla and I'm still none the wiser.

Did you bother to actually read what I said? Clearly Not
Did you read how this individual used name-calling, attacks, logical fallacies (incuding ad hominun attacks, quotes out of context, hasty generalizations, etc)
and didn't answer my questions when presented with them?
Did you read the personal attacks this individual leveled against me simply because I have a different opinion?
You have a nerve to call me hysterical
Clearly you did not, and if you did, you have no comprehension.
When a person acts like a bully, they should be called on it.
That is not hysterical, that is self-empowerment

I have plenty more to say, even though I don't need to explain it, but since I have a real life that doesn't include I don't need to respond any further, especially to
narrow minded, self righteous, obnoxious, confrontational individuals

It is unfortunate that others enable that person's HYSTERICAL BULLYING behavior

 

[Angela Channing]

Still no answers to my questions, I notice.

1. What political material in the Oscar ceremony were you referring to as "extremist", "leftist" and "woke" if it wasn't the comments about gender, racial and sexual orientation equality?

2. When did I call you a liar?

Do we assume that no answer is an answer, i.e, I was right about which political comments you were calling "extremist", "leftist" and "woke" and that I never did call you a liar?

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Still no answers to my questions, I notice.

1. What political material in the Oscar ceremony were you referring to as "extremist", "leftist" and "woke" if it wasn't the comments about gender, racial and sexual orientation equality?

2. When did I call you a liar?

Do we assume that no answer is an answer, i.e, I was right about which political comments you were calling "extremist", "leftist" and "woke" and that I never did call you a liar?

You are not right about anything, and I don't have to answer nonsense.

You didn't answer my question.
You said that I was including Gender, Race and Sexual Orientation when I mentioned woke.
I asked you to produce the quote from me, and you didn't
I have to assume that you can't produce it because I NEVER SAID IT

I have better things to do than respond to individuals like you.
Enjoy your unique world view

Your quote "when they do so with facts instead of half-truths, inaccuracies and lies. "
It doesn't take a genius to infer that you are referring to me.

I answered the question. The woke actors have a history of making extreme, leftist. woke, intolerant comments, and I couldn't care less about what they said or didn't say this year, I am referring to a history.

Clearly you have no tolerance for any opinion except your own, and assorted sycophants
Your argumentive skills are laughable

IE. You asked me if I know more about the situation than Dr Seuss Enterprises.
I am confused. If you think Dr Seuss is so irrelevant to the conversation, why do you persist in
perpetuating it?

Let me explain this so that even you could understand it

Press releases and such are marketing events.
The statements are not sworn statements under oath.
They are the entity trying to put themselves in the best light
Such Press release occur because of major events or controversies
I provided source materials to show that there were other entities involved
whose input lead to that decision.
You would know that if you actually read it, instead of jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions
that you yourself would consider inaccurate and half true at best

You are practicing no answer as an answer, because you can't supply the quote I asked you for
because IT DOESN'T EXIST

ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION?

 

[Angela Channing]

You said that I was including Gender, Race and Sexual Orientation when I mentioned woke.
I asked you to produce the quote from me, and you didn't
I have to assume that you can't produce it because I NEVER SAID IT

Firstly, I didn't say that so let me spell out what I did say.

I've answered your question several times already but here's the quote again.

You said actors from a previous era compared with the those at this year's Oscars "didn't participate in divisive woke political activities that divide people while vilifying those people who do not support the extreme leftist agendas". So I asked what comments you were referring to that can be described as "woke" and "extreme leftist" because there was nothing at the Oscars this year that matched that description. The only political references were to Ukraine and a joke about the "Don't Say Gay" bill in Florida (made by Amy Schumer), a joke about women's equality and one about racial equality which was made by the 3 presenters during their opening monologue. As I said previously, these are human rights issues, not left or right issues.

I've answered your question so maybe now you can answer mine: which part of the Oscars were you referring to?

 

[Angela Channing]

Your quote "when they do so with facts instead of half-truths, inaccuracies and lies. "
It doesn't take a genius to infer that you are referring to me.

If you read my comment and the context in which I said it, I think it is clear I was making a general comment and I wasn't speaking about any individual in particular.

You asked me if I know more about the situation than Dr Seuss Enterprises.
I am confused. If you think Dr Seuss is so irrelevant to the conversation, why do you persist in
perpetuating it?

I'm not interested in Dr Seuss because it wasn't mentioned at this years Oscars which this thread is meant to be about. You tried to bring that into the conversation. I'm happy to leave that to one side as it is irrelevant to this thread.

I answered the question. The woke actors have a history of making extreme, leftist. woke, intolerant comments, and I couldn't care less about what they said or didn't say this year, I am referring to a history.

But in the context of this years Oscars as this is what the thread is about? Are you now saying that there wasn't any extreme, leftist, intolerant comments made at this years Oscars?

 

[Jock Ewing Fan]

Firstly, I didn't say that so let me spell out what I did say.

I've answered your question several times already but here's the quote again.

You said actors from a previous era compared with the those at this year's Oscars "didn't participate in divisive woke political activities that divide people while vilifying those people who do not support the extreme leftist agendas". So I asked what comments you were referring to that can be described as "woke" and "extreme leftist" because there was nothing at the Oscars this year that matched that description. The only political references were to Ukraine and a joke about the "Don't Say Gay" bill in Florida (made by Amy Schumer), a joke about women's equality and one about racial equality which was made by the 3 presenters during their opening monologue. As I said previously, these are human rights issues, not left or right issues.

I've answered your question so maybe now you can answer mine: which part of the Oscars were you referring to?

I answered your question, you are deflecting.

Please read it again. I was referring to history, I didn't watch the Oscars because I couldn't care less about any awards show.
I don't have to watch an event to know its history.

This is what you said

Firstly, you were the one who originally said people who raised issues about achieving better racial, LGBTQ+ and gender rights were left wing extremist.

Where is the quote where I specifically said those things about racial, LGBTQ+ and gender rights. I never specifically mentioned those. Woke encompasses many many more items, which were not mentioned in my post

Where is the quote from me.

IT DOESN'T EXIST

This began because of a post by Barbara Fan. I posted in response to support that post.
Why didn't you respond to Barbara Fan?

AGAIN, YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

WHERE IS THE SPECIFIC MENTION OF THOSE THINGS YOU CITE?
YOU CAN'T ANSWER BECAUSE I NEVER SAID THAT, AND IT DOESN"T EXIST.



I will no longer be responding to you. It is a waste of my time,
and your concept of debate is to use a series of logical fallacies which hold no validity,
and you don't my question

Enjoy your unique world

 

[Angela Channing]

I answered your question, you are deflecting.

Please read it again. I was referring to history, I didn't watch the Oscars because I couldn't care less about any awards show.
I don't have to watch an event to know its history.

This is what you said

Firstly, you were the one who originally said people who raised issues about achieving better racial, LGBTQ+ and gender rights were left wing extremist.

Where is the quote where I specifically said those things about racial, LGBTQ+ and gender rights. I never specifically mentioned those. Woke encompasses many many more items, which were not mentioned in my post

Where is the quote from me.

IT DOESN'T EXIST

This began because of a post by Barbara Fan. I posted in response to support that post.
Why didn't you respond to Barbara Fan?

AGAIN, YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

WHERE IS THE SPECIFIC MENTION OF THOSE THINGS YOU CITE?
YOU CAN'T ANSWER BECAUSE I NEVER SAID THAT, AND IT DOESN"T EXIST.



I will no longer be responding to you. It is a waste of my time,
and your concept of debate is to use a series of logical fallacies which hold no validity,
and you don't my question

Enjoy your unique world

If anyone is interested (and I doubt they now are) they can read back what was said and make up their own minds who said what and who answered questions and who refused to do so.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Did you bother to actually read what I said? Clearly Not
Did you read how this individual used name-calling, attacks, logical fallacies (incuding ad hominun attacks, quotes out of context, hasty generalizations, etc)
and didn't answer my questions when presented with them?
Did you read the personal attacks this individual leveled against me simply because I have a different opinion?
You have a nerve to call me hysterical
Clearly you did not, and if you did, you have no comprehension.
When a person acts like a bully, they should be called on it.
That is not hysterical, that is self-empowerment

I have plenty more to say, even though I don't need to explain it, but since I have a real life that doesn't include I don't need to respond any further, especially to
narrow minded, self righteous, obnoxious, confrontational individuals

It is unfortunate that others enable that person's HYSTERICAL BULLYING behavior

The comment to which you're responding wasn't really directed at you -- he intended it for someone else (site politics of a different sort) but it apparently required making you out to be the bad guy and AC the voice of reason.

Don't worry about it. It's just how it is.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

So shocking..

 

[darkshadows38]

i do find it funny that people are talking more about this than the war, and the news as well i guess Smith Resigned from the Academy i wonder if he's found guilty he will have to hang in his SAG card? cause once you don't have that you career is done. Stephen Collins after all that happened with him a few years back as far as i know nobody demanded him to hand his card in but he did. i wonder if Smith will do the same or be forced to?

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

 

[Rove]

I'm reading this morning The Academy slapped Will Smith with a 10 year ban. Might as well hit him with a wet lettuce. From this day forward I won't be watching the Oscars or anything Will Smith participates in. Both have become irrelevant anyway.

 

[Willie Oleson]

After two weeks it's starting to feel a little surreal.

 

[Rove]

After two weeks it's starting to feel a little surreal.

I'm still curious why Will went for the slap rather than a punch. Could it be argued a punch would have orchestrated a harsher penalty? I still find it laughable when grown men offer a slap...how very 1800 like behavior. It it was Jock Ewing that Rock guy would have been seeing stars...and not the dressed up kind sitting in their seats.