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DALLAS: what made it stand out above the other soaps?

Mustard

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Paulsen was also supervising producer for Season 7 of KNOTS LANDING, which is controversial -- it's okay, and not my favorite year of the spin-off, but it sounds like there was a lot of politics afoot at KNOTS at the time and Paulsen made his exit after just one year, going back to DALLAS.
Most of the Knots Landing cast loved Peter Dunne, as they considered Dunne to be the best writer on their show. Dunne went in the other direction to David Paulsen for the 1985-86 seasons. Dunne actually joined Dallas very late in the 1984-85 season. Dunne was a big success on Knots Landing, but divides opinion a lot more on Dallas. Maybe Paulsen clashed with the Lechowicks too (who became the main script editors of Knots for Seasons 8-12), and the Lechowicks really divided opinion among the Knots Landing cast and crew. Ted Shackelford and Michele Lee loved them, while Joan Van Ark often disliked their scripts and later accused them of turning Valene into "the village idiot", while John Pleshette couldn't stand them either.

The Knots quality never crashed much though. Once past its very best years, it was still a good standard all the way. I think it helped that the actors had more say in the creative process compared to Dallas. I wonder how the Dallas brass would have coped with William Devane, who sometimes altered things on a whim for Greg Sumner.
 
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Spooky Owl!

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Most of the Knots Landing cast loved Peter Dunne, as they considered Dunne to be the best writer on their show. Dunne went in the other direction to David Paulsen for the 1985-86 seasons. Dunne actually joined Dallas very late in the 1984-85 season. Dunne was a big success on Knots Landing, but divides opinion a lot more on Dallas. Maybe Paulsen clashed with the Lechowicks too (who became the main script editors of Knots for Seasons 8-12), and the Lechowicks really divided opinion among the Knots Landing cast and crew. Ted Shackelford and Michele Lee loved them, while Joan Van Ark often disliked their scripts and later accused them of turning Valene into "the village idiot", while John Pleshette couldn't stand them either.

The Knots quality never crashed much though. Once past its very best years, it was still a good standard all the way. I think it helped that the actors had more say in the creative process compared to Dallas. I wonder how the Dallas brass would have coped with William Devane, who sometimes altered things on a whim for Greg Sumner.

Yes, in fact some folks called the Lechowicks "terrible people" and the couple apparently began politicking against Paulsen who'd been an outsider (from chauvinistic DALLAS) who'd usurped their position, leading Michael Filerman to view Paulsen as some kind of hack.

I'm the first to agree that Paulsen's work in Season 7 of KNOTS was imperfect, but how much of his work was compromised as a result of the on site politics is an open question. In any event, Paulsen wanted out... Peter Dunne did excellent work on KNOTS and there's no denying it, but many of us feel the changes he brought to DALLAS -- where he and his writers seemed to feel the show needed to be "reformed" -- were far mor destructive than the mistakes made on KNOTS during Paulsen's reign.

KNOTS was a show so artistically nuanced and vibrant that the story structure could be as loose (or as tight) as they wanted it to be; not so on DALLAS, where Dunne's rambling narrative just came off as unfocused, stumbling, and even smugly PC.

Both shows suffered for the switch of the 85/86 season, but DALLAS was harmed the most -- which, admittedly, wasn't undone by Katzman's high-handed use of the dream resolution upon his return. (David Jacobs admitted that he would have used a different explanation for Bobby's revival and told Katzman the idea was "terrible"). Paulsen, ever the company man, defends the use of The Dream, but I'm convinced he wouldn't have used it either had he been in control of DALLAS himself.

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Spooky Owl!

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Well at a guess it's something to do with Witness Protection and his death at the hospital was probably faked. :)

Yes. Imperfect though it sounds, the FWPP scenario is the only one which "could" happen in real life, so it's likely what Jacobs might have chosen had he been in control.

In my alternative DALLAS history, Pam's trip to the shower, thinking she's seen Bobby, is a defense-mechanism hallucination -- Mark Graison is dead on the floor!

Aware that Pam has just married Graison, Bobby appears at Jenna's door -- she's stunned ("Buhbee --- Buhbee...!") and pulls him into her room and rapes him (off-camera). Thus impregnating her.

Ray and Donna lose custody of Tony because of his euthanasia-ing of Mickey Trotter, creating yet another glitch in his marriage to Donna who moves right back into Southfork when she learns she's pregnant once again by Ray. (So his new house is the one he was building, not one he suddenly "bought.")

Once Bobby flatlined and was secretly revived, it turns out Miss Ellie was approached by the FBI, CIA, INTERPOL -- and probably the FCC -- with news that Angelica Nero had been hired as an assassin through a shadowy Euro-Asian network (anonymously by Katherine Wentworth before she freaked out and ran him down herself) to kill Bobby and the other Ewings, inspiring Nero's luring as many of the Ewings out of the country as possible in order to make her escape easier once the deed is done.

Clayton's perturbed that Ellie didn't tell him. And JR is upset that he's going to have to return the parts of Ewing Oil he'd bought after Bobby's will was probated, now that Bobby turns out to be alive. (We'll let Paulsen find the legal precedent for that). Harve Smithfield assures JR that suing will be pointless, because the scam of executing Bobby's will was facilitated by the federal government with full IRS approval, so any litigation against his family will prove destructive and doubtless fail. JR is pissed.

And when JR points out to the agents debriefing the Ewings, that his private detective had "verified" Angelica Nero's background, they'll ask the private eye's name and then look concerned at his answer, then pull a folder out of their attaché case containing a photo of JR's detective with a hairpin through his neck ("Maybe your private eye discovered something Miss Nero didn't want him to discover"). JR is startled.

The day after Pam finds Graison's body, word gets around that Mark is dead -- meaning Pam is free, the revelation worrying Jenna that her renewed romance with Lazarus Ewing is already over.

At the end of the first episode, Bobby appears at Pam's bedroom door. Stunned, she quietly closes the door on Bobby darkened close up. Freeze frame, fade to black.

In the first scene of episode #2, Bobby opens the door and enters her room, explaining in two minutes what had happened and why --- with Pam, of course, facing the camera as Bobby talks to her back. Eventually, Pam turns to face her ex-and-future husband, and she explains that she now realizes that Bobby had appeared on the sidewalk outside Pam and Mark's reception, she saw him, gasped, blinked and he was gone, and thus imagined he was in the shower when Mark Graison was dead on the tile at her feet.

No hard feelings. They're back together, Bobby and Pam. He leaves the next morning to tell Jenna "go to hell" and the rest of Season 10 precedes exactly as it did.

And Harve will be able to tell the boys that Parmalee's lawsuit could potentially be effective because there "is now the precedent that Ewings execute wills of family members they know are still alive." JR and Bobby buzz their frustration, but Smithfield tells the brothers that "this is about public perception!" and that could skew the legal case.

Etcetera, etcetera...

I wouldn't say it's the only one.

Tell-tell. None of them are perfect, and most are awful. But the above-one I lay-out, as crazy as it sounds, is the only way I could think of that could work. And it only takes one episode to explain.


"Honey -- you didn't have a dream. Jenna had the nightmare, and it's just beginning!"
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LMLDallas78

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There's a great little video on Dallas fanzine Instagram where British presenter Judi Spiers (think ots her) meets with various soap actors from the big soaps to discuss their thoughts about working on soaps and the the "rubbish" they often had to trot out week after week.

From Dallas there's Ken Kercheval, Howard Keel, Steve Kanaly and Linda Gray who often referred to Dallas being the first night time soap opera out of the four.
I guess that's what made Dallas stand out until audiences craved more glitz, more glamour and stupid over the top plots and characters. Of course when Dallas tried to do that.......well we all know.

Got to mention Joan Collins who says they all do the same thing with the same dialogue, just in a different frock!

I haven't got Instagram but could still view it. Very short, but very interesting.
 

Crimson

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Imperfect though it sounds, the FWPP scenario is the only one which "could" happen in real life

I don't dislike the Dream resolution as many around here do -- although very much dislike how badly it was executed -- but the more I look back, the more I conclude the only workable solution was to leave Bobby dead. The hoops that had to be jumped through to bring him back weren't worth the payoff. Pam and Bobby still ended up with an unhappy ending, it was just a much, much worse unhappy ending.
 

Spooky Owl!

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I don't dislike the Dream resolution as many around here do -- although very much dislike how badly it was executed -- but the more I look back, the more I conclude the only workable solution was to leave Bobby dead. The hoops that had to be jumped through to bring him back weren't worth the payoff. Pam and Bobby still ended up with an unhappy ending, it was just a much, much worse unhappy ending.

And the use of the dream would have made far more sense if it had been Bobby's comatose dream --- but, when in doubt, blame the nearest ex-wife and/or sister-in-law.

Maybe Sammy Jo dreamed it.
 

Luke_Krebbs_Ewing

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I don't dislike the Dream resolution as many around here do -- although very much dislike how badly it was executed -- but the more I look back, the more I conclude the only workable solution was to leave Bobby dead. The hoops that had to be jumped through to bring him back weren't worth the payoff. Pam and Bobby still ended up with an unhappy ending, it was just a much, much worse unhappy ending.

Well Victoria Principal has always said that what made her leave Dallas was the decline in the quality of the writing.

Bobby's resurrection from the dead was the turning point of the show but not in a good way! :(
 

DallasFanForever

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I don't dislike the Dream resolution as many around here do -- although very much dislike how badly it was executed -- but the more I look back, the more I conclude the only workable solution was to leave Bobby dead. The hoops that had to be jumped through to bring him back weren't worth the payoff. Pam and Bobby still ended up with an unhappy ending, it was just a much, much worse unhappy ending.
I kind of have mixed feelings on this one. I can certainly see the case for leaving him dead, yet I think the J.R. character ultimately needed Bobby. The quarreling brothers was one of the backbones of the show and it’s sorely absent during the dream season, yet that premise alone wasn’t enough to carry the later seasons once Bobby returned.
 

Spooky Owl!

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I kind of have mixed feelings on this one. I can certainly see the case for leaving him dead, yet I think the J.R. character ultimately needed Bobby. The quarreling brothers was one of the backbones of the show and it’s sorely absent during the dream season, yet that premise alone wasn’t enough to carry the later seasons once Bobby returned.

Well, if they hadn't suppressed Pam's rise at Ewing Oil during the dream season, the JR-vs-Pam dynamic could have produced fireworks -- and moreso than the tired JR-vs-Bobby thing. DALLAS could have coasted on it for several seasons.

But someone didn't want it to happen.
 

DallasFanForever

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Well, if they hadn't suppressed Pam's rise at Ewing Oil during the dream season, the JR-vs-Pam dynamic could have produced fireworks -- and moreso than the tired JR-vs-Bobby thing. DALLAS could have coasted on it for several seasons.

But someone didn't want it to happen.
J.R. vs Pam was such a missed opportunity. It could’ve been so much more than it was. Perhaps had their been no dream, we just might’ve had this scenario the way we wanted it.

If Graison had ended up dying due to Harry looking into his past and not from his illness, coupled with Jamie’s death at the hands of Angelica, the seeds for the Pam/J.R. conflict exploding were there. I guess we’ll never know.
 

Spooky Owl!

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J.R. vs Pam was such a missed opportunity. It could’ve been so much more than it was. Perhaps had their been no dream, we just might’ve had this scenario the way we wanted it.

If Graison had ended up dying due to Harry looking into his past and not from his illness, coupled with Jamie’s death at the hands of Angelica, the seeds for the Pam/J.R. conflict exploding were there. I guess we’ll never know.

Some have theorized that Katzman (who created the Angelica Nero character, although was only a "creative consultant" that year) intended Angelica to steal Pam's thunder, with Pam and JR is superficial alliance against Miss Nero, Katzman cleverly intuiting that the "stronger women" mindset of the new writer/producers could be easily tricked into not giving Pam her day at Ewing Oil.

I don't know if that was Lenny's intention, but it certainly was the end result.


"Call me ... call me her name --- 'Pamela'..."
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LMLDallas78

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I've said before I still enjoyed the dream season and quickly got over no Bobby, but was also happy to see him back. At the time it really did seem such an unbelievable, daft storyline which got everybody talking and also poking fun at.

Although Dallas and Dysentery were often the brunt of laughable critique and mickey takers.

Did Patrick return because of viewing figures or because Larry was lonely and missed his playmate?


Did viewers eventually accept no more Bobby and when was his comeback known, mid season or later? Was his departure left long enough to really know if Dallas could go on Bobby-less or did they give in to audience/Larry too soon?
 
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