Mary Tyler Moore Show and Its Spin-Offs

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If I have a single complaint about early MTM, it's the ridiculous notion that Rhoda was the dumpy one. No amount of schlubby sweatshirts or Phyllis putdowns could disguise the fact that Valerie was gorgeous and, what, at most 5 lbs "overweight"? Whatever Penny's great gifts, conventional beauty was not one of them and she did "morose loser" pretty well.

Mind you, I'm glad Penny hit it big with L&S, but I'd have liked to see her on MTM longer.
Mary was cute, but as you say, Valerie was gorgeous. Penny was not a conventional beauty as you said, but as I’ve gotten older I’ve noticed what a great figure she had. A good dancer and athelete, too.
 

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This may have been stated earlier in the thread, but I believe the original concept was for Mary Richards to be a divorcee but the censors wouldn't allow it, so they changed it to she had broken up with someone she'd been living with - but of course that couldn't be spoken aloud either.
 

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This may have been stated earlier in the thread, but I believe the original concept was for Mary Richards to be a divorcee but the censors wouldn't allow it, so they changed it to she had broken up with someone she'd been living with - but of course that couldn't be spoken aloud either.
I can't remember when or where, bit that is my understanding
Network people supposedly told MTM that people will think she divorced Dick Van Dyke.
As if people can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.
On the other hand...LOL
 
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