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Sometimes "not conflating with rape" means conflating with rape.
Eventually, Adam is going to have to start saying "no" to Eve.
Eventually, Adam is going to have to start saying "no" to Eve.
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If I really believed Biden wasn't aware that his actions creep some women out, and he promised to respect their boundaries in the future, I'd be more forgiving. But this isn't the first time it's been addressed. Jon Stewart did a segment on it 2015. Biden's known for some time that not everybody likes his touching. So what's he do after his mea culpa? Jokes about it and says he's not really sorry after all. It's not rape, but it does speak to his sense of entitlement when it comes to touching and smelling the hair of women and girls who don't like it.
It's just one of many reasons why I'm not a Biden fan.
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I'm not a Biden fan either. Plus, he's not electable.
His video mea culpa was just fine, but his joke about the topic later was indeed appropriate and I would have done that myself. It's his little way of pointing out, in the MeToo era, he's not rapey and that the controversy over his PDAs is a bit overblown.
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He's not rapey, yes. But I think the problem is his sense of entitlement. Once he's aware that not everybody likes to be touched without permission, his position is to joke about it and say he's not sorry. It's funny how this was after his mea culpa, which was indeed fine. Like Cenk said, it's probably because he saw many older folks were on his side. Biden's taken pot shots at millennials before, so when he saw they were the ones most upset by it, he probably couldn't care less. Of course, his disconnect with millennials is partly why he's not electable.
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The mea culpa was all he needed to express, if that. And in today's culture, it's wise that he be less physically affectionate in public but his joke is also reasonable because he doesn't need to "be sorry".
He's right; you're pandering.
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Pandering to who, exactly? People who don't like being touched without permission, and expecting people to respect their personal space?
Some people are fine with it. Some aren't. To act like the ones who aren't fine with it are the problem is a display of entitlement.
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Contrary to what some people think, reasonable people are not conflating Biden's actions with rape. Lucy Flores is the first woman to accuse Biden of inappropriate behavior, and even she said she would vote for him over Trump. In my initial post about Biden, I said his actions weren't jail worthy. And for all of #metoo's flaws, the founder of the movement is saying the same thing. I said it before, and I'll say it again. The problem is Biden's sense of entitlement. He doesn't care if women find it creepy when he sniffs their hair, strokes their face, kisses their neck, or let's his hands drift close to their breasts. People should keep their damn hands to themselves unless it's obvious the other person is receptive to it.
Me Too Founder Tarana Burke Calls Biden’s Response ‘Disrespectful And Inexcusable’
The activist broke down what was wrong with the former vice president’s response to allegations he subjected several women to unwanted touching.
Tarana Burke, founder of the Me Too movement, spoke out Friday in support of the women who have come forward to accuse Joe Biden of inappropriate behavior, calling out the former vice president’s joking response to the scandal as “disrespectful and inexcusable.”
In a Twitter thread, Burke argued that the seven women who say they received unwanted physical contact from Biden were right to speak up and that the likely 2020 contender appears be deeply missing the point they are trying to make.
“It’s about bodily autonomy, it’s about power and leadership,” wrote Burke, who first started using the phrase “Me Too” to raise awareness about the pervasiveness of sexual misconduct in 2006.
Burke’s comments came the same day Biden opened up a speech by making light of the news about his unwanted touches. He said of the man who introduced him onstage, “I just want you to know, I had permission” to hug him.
Burke reiterated in her tweets that nobody is “calling for [Biden] to be incarcerated or sent away.” But just because his behavior isn’t as extreme as that of disgraced film producer Harvey Weinstein ― who is facing rape charges ― that doesn’t mean it should be ignored, Burke said. Doing so, she argued, will only “help deepen a culture of silence around all sexual harassment and violence.”
You can read Burke’s whole tweet thread here.
Former Nevada Assemblywoman Lucy Flores was the first person to publicly accuse Biden of inappropriate conduct, writing in an op-ed last week that Biden approached her from behind at a 2014 campaign event, put his hands on her shoulders, smelled her hair and kissed the back of her head. Six other women have since come forward with similar accounts.
Though Biden released a video this week addressing the allegations and promising to be “more mindful about respecting personal space in the future,” critics have said he should make an outright apology if he wants to take ownership of the incidents.
Source: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tarana-burke-joe-biden-response_n_5ca7b156e4b0dca033015554
Me Too Founder Tarana Burke Calls Biden’s Response ‘Disrespectful And Inexcusable’
The activist broke down what was wrong with the former vice president’s response to allegations he subjected several women to unwanted touching.
Tarana Burke, founder of the Me Too movement, spoke out Friday in support of the women who have come forward to accuse Joe Biden of inappropriate behavior, calling out the former vice president’s joking response to the scandal as “disrespectful and inexcusable.”
In a Twitter thread, Burke argued that the seven women who say they received unwanted physical contact from Biden were right to speak up and that the likely 2020 contender appears be deeply missing the point they are trying to make.
“It’s about bodily autonomy, it’s about power and leadership,” wrote Burke, who first started using the phrase “Me Too” to raise awareness about the pervasiveness of sexual misconduct in 2006.
Burke’s comments came the same day Biden opened up a speech by making light of the news about his unwanted touches. He said of the man who introduced him onstage, “I just want you to know, I had permission” to hug him.
Burke reiterated in her tweets that nobody is “calling for [Biden] to be incarcerated or sent away.” But just because his behavior isn’t as extreme as that of disgraced film producer Harvey Weinstein ― who is facing rape charges ― that doesn’t mean it should be ignored, Burke said. Doing so, she argued, will only “help deepen a culture of silence around all sexual harassment and violence.”
You can read Burke’s whole tweet thread here.
Former Nevada Assemblywoman Lucy Flores was the first person to publicly accuse Biden of inappropriate conduct, writing in an op-ed last week that Biden approached her from behind at a 2014 campaign event, put his hands on her shoulders, smelled her hair and kissed the back of her head. Six other women have since come forward with similar accounts.
Though Biden released a video this week addressing the allegations and promising to be “more mindful about respecting personal space in the future,” critics have said he should make an outright apology if he wants to take ownership of the incidents.
Source: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tarana-burke-joe-biden-response_n_5ca7b156e4b0dca033015554
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Biden should apologize for the horrible VAWA law.
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Yes, and for the 1994 crime bill. In fact, my biggest criticism of Bernie Sanders is that he voted for the 1994 crime bill because he supported the violence against women act. Of course, Biden also supported the Iraq War, said he has no empathy for millennials, and is a corporatist neoliberal. I used to think he was a decent guy, but he's actually quite an authoritarian.
I'm not remotely a feminist, an SJW, or a conservative. I also stand by my previous posts. The #metoo movement has often been greatly overreaching in its desire to bring down men at any cost. And yes, the movement has also pushed that women are to be believed no matter what. However, I still fail to see how any of that applies in Biden's case. Is there no ill intent on his part? Maybe. But that's just as speculative as assuming women don't really feel uncomfortable being groped, kissed, and smelled by him. Also, parents being okay with Biden's touchy/feely behavior with their children is meaningless. What matters is how the child feels about it. I'm sure some of them are fine with it, just as I'm sure some women are fine with it.
However, the people who are uncomfortable with it have a right to feel that way too. What Biden and his defenders are doing is defending his right to be overly affectionate Uncle Joe. His joke about "getting permission" to hug someone was basically his way of saying people who are uncomfortable being touched, stroked, and kissed by him need to lighten up. There are ways to tell if someone is receptive to a hug or a kiss without having to "sign a waiver" first. Even a hand on a shoulder isn't likely going to offend the vast majority of people. But hands on the chest (whether developed or not), hands on the waist, kisses on the back of the neck, face stroking, and hair smelling is not what many consider to be socially normal behavior.
I don't think anybody is actually trying to "bring down" Biden. As I said before, the first woman to publicly accuse Biden of inappropriate kissing and touching said she would still vote for him over Trump. I personally think his arrogance and policy positions make him a poor choice to run against Trump, but I doubt he'll get the nomination anyway. Also, I think it's okay to publicly express why everybody isn't okay with Biden's brand of affection. The only problem I do see is people (including Biden) mocking and ridiculing those who are uncomfortable by it.
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Somebody on the Internet somewhere posted this:
Men are 97% of combat fatalities.
Men pay 97% of Alimony.
Men make 94% of work suicides.
Men make up 93% of work fatalities.
Men make up 81% of all war deaths.
Men lose custody in 84% of divorces.
80% of all suicides are men.
77% of homicide victims are men.
89% of men will be the victim of at least one violent crime.
Men are over twice as victimized by strangers as women.
Men are 165% more likely to be convicted than women.
Men get 63% longer sentences than women for the same crime.
Court bias against men is at least 6 times bigger than racial bias.
Males are discriminated against in school and University.
Boys face vastly more corporal punishment than girls.
60-80% of the homeless are men.
Women’s Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men’s
At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud.
One third of all fathers in the USA have lost custody of children, most are expected to pay for this.
40-70% of domestic violence is against men however less than 1% of domestic violence shelter spaces are for men.
43% of boys are raised by single mothers, 78% of teachers are female, so, close to 50% of boys have 100% feminine influence at home and 80% feminine influence at school.
Toxic masculinity isn’t the problem, it's women, and the lack of a male role model! The lack of masculinity is.
THE REAL MONEY GAP
Equal pay has been law in Australia since 1969! If this wasn't the case companies would only employ women.
Feminist statistics are not based on industry or overtime, when this is taken in to account women actually earn more per hour than men, men work far longer hours, are
in higher paid and far more dangerous industries.
Men earn 61.5% of all income but only account for 25% of domestic spending.
Men only spend 40% of what they earn after tax.
In contrast women make up 38.5% of all income but control 75% of domestic spending, women on average spend 90% MORE MONEY THAN THEY EARN.
Men are exploited as cash machines and even with spending on children accounted for women still spend more money on themselves than the combined spending for men and children.
This can even be observed in the floor space allocated to women’s products in most shopping centers.
TAX & HEALTHCARE DISCRIMINATION
Men pay over 70% of income tax but the vast majority of public spending is on services for women.
There is more money spent on breast cancer than lung cancer and prostate cancer combined, despite the fact that lung cancer alone has 3-4 times more fatalities than breast cancer.
A man’s chance of getting cancer is 44% and 23% of men will die from cancer, 38% of women get cancer and 19% die.
Yet there is vastly more money spent on cancer for women, this is lethal discrimination.
Women pay 60% less tax despite spending 300% more in domestic spending than men.
Women also consume two third of public spending, there are 3 times the amount of gender specific health services for women than men despite the fact that for equal increases in health spending a man’s life expectancy rate increases nearly twice as much as a woman’s.
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
There are hundreds of surveys which shows women are as violent if not more violent than men in domestic violence cases.
Men get arrested in 85% of all arrests but its estimated that Women are the perpetrators in most Domestic Violence cases.
Most reciprocal violence is started by women and 70% of non reciprocal violence is perpetrated by women. Women however only get arrested in 15% of all DV arrests.
This example of 572 different studies covering 371,600 people demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm More men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence and over 40% of severe physical violence was directed at men. http://www.batteredmen.com/NISVS.htm Despite this though,99.3% of DV shelter spaces are for women and even men who report violence against them by women are arrested far more often than the woman who is attacking them.
Government Sponsored Sexism
1) Real sexism is almost no shelters for male victims of domestic violence.
2) Real sexism is men getting harsher punishments for the same crime.
3) Real sexism is countries with compulsorily military service for men.
4) Real sexism, courts that takes children from fathers based on gender.
5) Men cannot even vote or get citizenship without enrolling for the draft.
6) Real sexism is numerous government departments dealing with women’s issues but none dealing with men’s issues.
7) Male infant circumcision/genital mutilation is legal and performed widely and even completely socially accepted but female genital mutilation is not.
8) A young boy raped by a woman can be forced to pay child support to his rapist if she gets pregnant, that’s real sexism.
9) Many countries do not even recognize female on male rape. It can maximally only amount to “sexual assault” that’s real sexism.
10) Real sexism is having no special laws like VAWA to protect men, even though men are the majority of victims of violent crime.
11) There are drives to fill quotas for women for the high paid roles but not in the dangerous jobs dominated by men, that's real sexism.
12) In the army, police, fire service or any other position women have to meet much lower physical standards than men.
13) Real sexism is services for men only given a fraction of the funds that services for women are given at a government and a social level.
14) For the same crime, irrespective of the gender of the offender, the perpetrator gets more punishment if the victim is female rather than male.
15) Most divorce laws are skewed against men, men can lose half his properly, money and children to a woman who decides to leave him. He is expected to pay for this betrayal, especially if he has already provided for and supported her, this is real sexism. Social sexism against men
16) Real sexism is being mocked when raped because you’re a man.
17) Men are expected to not show emotion and remain stoic at all times.
18) Victim blaming is acceptable ONLY when men are the victims and women the perpetrator. This is real sexism.
19) Real sexism is having your gender stereotyped by society as being violent, abusers, etc.
20) Men’s lives are given less value in any emergency situation. But that's okay because "men rule the world"?
21) Quota systems used to increase jobs for women across the public and private sectors, merit based employment is all but ceased.
If a few insane SJW femanazi's have a whinge on twitter, companies believe that the majority have read or even care about their moaning. The fact is less than 0.5% of the world use these forms of social media and most of those users are not active. Basically no one cares about the rubbish being spewed out on anti-social media, it doesn't reflect real life!
Optimist- glass half full
Pessimist- glass half empty
Feminist- glass is molesting me
When Sharia Law is in place due to western women's ignorance and stupidity, then they will know what a true patriarchy is!
Men are 97% of combat fatalities.
Men pay 97% of Alimony.
Men make 94% of work suicides.
Men make up 93% of work fatalities.
Men make up 81% of all war deaths.
Men lose custody in 84% of divorces.
80% of all suicides are men.
77% of homicide victims are men.
89% of men will be the victim of at least one violent crime.
Men are over twice as victimized by strangers as women.
Men are 165% more likely to be convicted than women.
Men get 63% longer sentences than women for the same crime.
Court bias against men is at least 6 times bigger than racial bias.
Males are discriminated against in school and University.
Boys face vastly more corporal punishment than girls.
60-80% of the homeless are men.
Women’s Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men’s
At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud.
One third of all fathers in the USA have lost custody of children, most are expected to pay for this.
40-70% of domestic violence is against men however less than 1% of domestic violence shelter spaces are for men.
43% of boys are raised by single mothers, 78% of teachers are female, so, close to 50% of boys have 100% feminine influence at home and 80% feminine influence at school.
Toxic masculinity isn’t the problem, it's women, and the lack of a male role model! The lack of masculinity is.
THE REAL MONEY GAP
Equal pay has been law in Australia since 1969! If this wasn't the case companies would only employ women.
Feminist statistics are not based on industry or overtime, when this is taken in to account women actually earn more per hour than men, men work far longer hours, are
in higher paid and far more dangerous industries.
Men earn 61.5% of all income but only account for 25% of domestic spending.
Men only spend 40% of what they earn after tax.
In contrast women make up 38.5% of all income but control 75% of domestic spending, women on average spend 90% MORE MONEY THAN THEY EARN.
Men are exploited as cash machines and even with spending on children accounted for women still spend more money on themselves than the combined spending for men and children.
This can even be observed in the floor space allocated to women’s products in most shopping centers.
TAX & HEALTHCARE DISCRIMINATION
Men pay over 70% of income tax but the vast majority of public spending is on services for women.
There is more money spent on breast cancer than lung cancer and prostate cancer combined, despite the fact that lung cancer alone has 3-4 times more fatalities than breast cancer.
A man’s chance of getting cancer is 44% and 23% of men will die from cancer, 38% of women get cancer and 19% die.
Yet there is vastly more money spent on cancer for women, this is lethal discrimination.
Women pay 60% less tax despite spending 300% more in domestic spending than men.
Women also consume two third of public spending, there are 3 times the amount of gender specific health services for women than men despite the fact that for equal increases in health spending a man’s life expectancy rate increases nearly twice as much as a woman’s.
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
There are hundreds of surveys which shows women are as violent if not more violent than men in domestic violence cases.
Men get arrested in 85% of all arrests but its estimated that Women are the perpetrators in most Domestic Violence cases.
Most reciprocal violence is started by women and 70% of non reciprocal violence is perpetrated by women. Women however only get arrested in 15% of all DV arrests.
This example of 572 different studies covering 371,600 people demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm More men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence and over 40% of severe physical violence was directed at men. http://www.batteredmen.com/NISVS.htm Despite this though,99.3% of DV shelter spaces are for women and even men who report violence against them by women are arrested far more often than the woman who is attacking them.
Government Sponsored Sexism
1) Real sexism is almost no shelters for male victims of domestic violence.
2) Real sexism is men getting harsher punishments for the same crime.
3) Real sexism is countries with compulsorily military service for men.
4) Real sexism, courts that takes children from fathers based on gender.
5) Men cannot even vote or get citizenship without enrolling for the draft.
6) Real sexism is numerous government departments dealing with women’s issues but none dealing with men’s issues.
7) Male infant circumcision/genital mutilation is legal and performed widely and even completely socially accepted but female genital mutilation is not.
8) A young boy raped by a woman can be forced to pay child support to his rapist if she gets pregnant, that’s real sexism.
9) Many countries do not even recognize female on male rape. It can maximally only amount to “sexual assault” that’s real sexism.
10) Real sexism is having no special laws like VAWA to protect men, even though men are the majority of victims of violent crime.
11) There are drives to fill quotas for women for the high paid roles but not in the dangerous jobs dominated by men, that's real sexism.
12) In the army, police, fire service or any other position women have to meet much lower physical standards than men.
13) Real sexism is services for men only given a fraction of the funds that services for women are given at a government and a social level.
14) For the same crime, irrespective of the gender of the offender, the perpetrator gets more punishment if the victim is female rather than male.
15) Most divorce laws are skewed against men, men can lose half his properly, money and children to a woman who decides to leave him. He is expected to pay for this betrayal, especially if he has already provided for and supported her, this is real sexism. Social sexism against men
16) Real sexism is being mocked when raped because you’re a man.
17) Men are expected to not show emotion and remain stoic at all times.
18) Victim blaming is acceptable ONLY when men are the victims and women the perpetrator. This is real sexism.
19) Real sexism is having your gender stereotyped by society as being violent, abusers, etc.
20) Men’s lives are given less value in any emergency situation. But that's okay because "men rule the world"?
21) Quota systems used to increase jobs for women across the public and private sectors, merit based employment is all but ceased.
If a few insane SJW femanazi's have a whinge on twitter, companies believe that the majority have read or even care about their moaning. The fact is less than 0.5% of the world use these forms of social media and most of those users are not active. Basically no one cares about the rubbish being spewed out on anti-social media, it doesn't reflect real life!
Optimist- glass half full
Pessimist- glass half empty
Feminist- glass is molesting me
When Sharia Law is in place due to western women's ignorance and stupidity, then they will know what a true patriarchy is!
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It seems this myopic view that only men are horrible has been around for a while:
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I'm reposting this video because Janice is particularly frank in this -- especially the second half:
Actually, that is kind of funny....It seems this myopic view that only men are horrible has been around for a while:
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The analogies are mildly amusing. But I think it also shows that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
The feminists who are whooping it up over these clippings would absolutely have labeled men from this era "sexists" if they had made similar statements.
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Alyssa Milano is now calling on women to implement a sex strike in opposition of Georgia's anti-abortion "heartbeat bill."
I get why women are upset over the GOP trying to control their reproductive rights, but I don't see how punishing their lovers is an effective way to change legislation. In fact, I've seen many conservatives gleeful over this because a sex strike would keep those "evil liberal women" from having abortions in the first place. The SJWs are playing right into their hands.
Milano's essentially weaponizing sex, which is what her ilk accuses men of doing.
I get why women are upset over the GOP trying to control their reproductive rights, but I don't see how punishing their lovers is an effective way to change legislation. In fact, I've seen many conservatives gleeful over this because a sex strike would keep those "evil liberal women" from having abortions in the first place. The SJWs are playing right into their hands.
Milano's essentially weaponizing sex, which is what her ilk accuses men of doing.
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Milano is actually the one who created the hashtag part of #MeToo, isn't she?
She said in an interview a year or so ago whenever she and her 6 year old son and 3 year old daughter go the bookstore, she always lets her daughter pick out the book they buy. And when her son complained because he reads and his tiny sister doesn't yet, Milano told him his sister will always be allowed to pick out the book because girls and women have an instinct about these things than boys and men do not.
So, y'know, she comes from a particular place.
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I heard she had something to do with the formation of #MeToo. She's certainly been a big proponent of the worst aspects of it.
Her parenting skills also leave a lot to be desired. She obviously has a strong belief that men control women, yet she's teaching her son that it's okay for women to control men. Her sex strike is also about control, even though she's packaged it as a "protest." She has a picture of a pink X on her Twitter that says "If our choices are denied, so are yours." It's a warped mentality, but it does explain both her parenting technique and views on sex. Unfortunately, she's not the only feminist who believes all men deserve to be punished for the sins of some.
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Many people responded badly to her idea, saying smartly:
"Please stop feeding the narrative that women are providers and men are consumers of sex," one person tweeted. "Bribing men for equal rights with access to our bodies is not how feminism works."
"This makes it seem like sex is something women do as a favor to men; it also furthers the misogynist theory that women should be shamed for liking sex at all," another said. "Sorry, @Alyssa_Milano, but I hate this."
"Isn’t this called abstinence? And isn’t this exactly what conservatives wanted?" another tweeted.
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That tweet is one thing that leads me to believe that this #MeToo/#TimesUp bull gipp is more of a conservative/right-wing/Puritanical idea than a liberal one (I may sound silly, but that's just my opinion).